1. Why does everyone drive 10-15 miles above the speed limit?

  2. Why don't we raise the speed limit if that's how fast everyone wants to go?

  3. Why is traffic enforcement given to very expensive and ineffective police instead of cheaper and more automated traffic cameras?

  4. Why do we refuse to ever use ANY traffic calming measures? Yes, than you flashing digital sign for telling me I'm going 10 miles above the limit on this incredibly wide and straight and flat road with high curbs and perfect visibility.

It's a serious confusion I have about how society is supposed to operate because it seems like a complete and total breakdown of logic and sense.

And, yes, I know there's some thing people did long ago to set the speed limit at some percentile of what people were already traveling at, but that's obviously a stupid way to do it and we did it anyway. So why?

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[–] 1 point 5 hours ago (5 children)
  1. Gotta go fast.
  2. They technically shouldn’t be going that fast, probably for safety reasons not obvious at all times.
  3. Cameras have flaws that are solved with an officer handling it. If someone is borrowing your car and speeding you get the camera ticket vs if an officer stopped them your friend would.
  4. Gotta go fast.
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  • [–] [S] 1 point 4 hours ago* (4 children)

    Are you saying traffic cameras are not cost effective?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    In my state it's illegal to receive infractions from traffic cameras because you have a right to face your accuser. Traffic tickets from cameras are basically guilty until proven innocent and go to the vehicle owner, not necessarily the operator. They also contribute to mass surveillance. My state is also banning all ALPR's very soon thank God, and we do not have any flock cameras around (there is only a couple in the state, in our largest city and only on private/commercial property)

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 hour ago

    You can have cameras that only record when they detect speeding and that information can be localized and not accessible on the internet.

    The problem is with the fascist police state, it's like trying to have sex with a guy who promises just the tip. You can't give them a camera and not expect them to abuse the fuck out of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago* (1 child)

    They're cost effective when you set an arbitrarily low speed limit on a historically fast stretch of road. In order to support the $5000+/mo cost of each speed camera, you need to be handing put speeding tickets lile they're going out of style, which incentivizes doing the first part.

    It's the speed trap town, automated. Also an American problem. Build a town that uses the highway as a main street so you can enforce an arbitrarily low speed limit in city limits and catch people that miss the first speed limit change sign. Because 99 percent of traffic is passing thru, they are less likely to fight it in court. Easy money for the people running the town.

    Also they used to use all sorts of tricks, like posting multiple speed limit change signs in short sequence (65->55->45->35 in the same 1/4 mile (400m for you metric people)), then making sure at least one of those signs is partially obscured by an overgrown tree or in the middle of a bend or camo'ed between city info signs, where you're less likely to see it while concentrating on everything else.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 hour ago

    So New York Pays out around $110 million fuckijng dollarydoos for police brutality cases every year, that's the maintenance cost of 1,666 cameras. The money is there if we want to spend it.

    I'm also curious about why these cameras are so damn expensive. Something absolutely does not seem right there.

    Yeah, you're the first to mention "invisible" speed limit signs, but someone else followed up ... we do live in a creepy police state, don't we.

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