▲ 193 ▼ Western open-weight models still can’t beat China: Chinese open-weight AI models offer high capability at significantly lower costs than U.S. frontier systems. (restofworld.org) submitted 4 days ago by eicker@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 53 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 days ago (7 children) Yes, best to stick with non-biased AI like Grok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -4 points 4 days ago* (3 children) What? "Oh, this AI is bad, therefore we should use an AI that is arguibly even worse" Maybe just don't? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (2 children) implied /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) My argument stands. Most online AIs, including open-weight, are biased or controlled. It's mine and your duty to make sure we never use them. If you think whatever musk makes is bad, you should apply the same thinking to whatever CCP makes. The fact that my original comment got downvoted is kind of worry some to me. It's like Lemmy is against AI, but not Chinese AI EDIT: I assumed at least this platform would not be fine with using products from Israel, Russia, China, etc., but I guess not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Reality@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago And open models regularly have versions released that remove these restrictions. Qwen won't answer any questions June 1989 in Tianmen square, but the unrestricted version does. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Sxan@piefed.zip -2 points 4 days ago (2 children) You asked why you should care, not who you should trust. You have a good point; everyone building þese þings has an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (1 child) I wonder if the Chinese are better at it that Musk is, because Grok really will revert back to its training data if pushed just slightly. I'm guessing that, yes, the Chinese are much better at it. But, really, if you're talking to an AI to form your worldview, you've sort of already lost... that's not really a core use case. I think the real reason might be that we want AI to make war, so ours needs to be better; and we can't use theirs for our military because maybe there's backdoors we don't know about... which is the same reason nobody in the world wants to buy US military hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago But, really, if you're talking to an AI to form your worldview, you've sort of already lost Amen, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -4 points 4 days ago* (3 children) What? "Oh, this AI is bad, therefore we should use an AI that is arguibly even worse" Maybe just don't? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (2 children) implied /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) My argument stands. Most online AIs, including open-weight, are biased or controlled. It's mine and your duty to make sure we never use them. If you think whatever musk makes is bad, you should apply the same thinking to whatever CCP makes. The fact that my original comment got downvoted is kind of worry some to me. It's like Lemmy is against AI, but not Chinese AI EDIT: I assumed at least this platform would not be fine with using products from Israel, Russia, China, etc., but I guess not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Reality@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago And open models regularly have versions released that remove these restrictions. Qwen won't answer any questions June 1989 in Tianmen square, but the unrestricted version does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 days ago (2 children) implied /s permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) My argument stands. Most online AIs, including open-weight, are biased or controlled. It's mine and your duty to make sure we never use them. If you think whatever musk makes is bad, you should apply the same thinking to whatever CCP makes. The fact that my original comment got downvoted is kind of worry some to me. It's like Lemmy is against AI, but not Chinese AI EDIT: I assumed at least this platform would not be fine with using products from Israel, Russia, China, etc., but I guess not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Reality@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago And open models regularly have versions released that remove these restrictions. Qwen won't answer any questions June 1989 in Tianmen square, but the unrestricted version does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 child) My argument stands. Most online AIs, including open-weight, are biased or controlled. It's mine and your duty to make sure we never use them. If you think whatever musk makes is bad, you should apply the same thinking to whatever CCP makes. The fact that my original comment got downvoted is kind of worry some to me. It's like Lemmy is against AI, but not Chinese AI EDIT: I assumed at least this platform would not be fine with using products from Israel, Russia, China, etc., but I guess not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Reality@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago And open models regularly have versions released that remove these restrictions. Qwen won't answer any questions June 1989 in Tianmen square, but the unrestricted version does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Reality@feddit.org 2 points 3 days ago And open models regularly have versions released that remove these restrictions. Qwen won't answer any questions June 1989 in Tianmen square, but the unrestricted version does. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sxan@piefed.zip -2 points 4 days ago (2 children) You asked why you should care, not who you should trust. You have a good point; everyone building þese þings has an agenda. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (1 child) I wonder if the Chinese are better at it that Musk is, because Grok really will revert back to its training data if pushed just slightly. I'm guessing that, yes, the Chinese are much better at it. But, really, if you're talking to an AI to form your worldview, you've sort of already lost... that's not really a core use case. I think the real reason might be that we want AI to make war, so ours needs to be better; and we can't use theirs for our military because maybe there's backdoors we don't know about... which is the same reason nobody in the world wants to buy US military hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago But, really, if you're talking to an AI to form your worldview, you've sort of already lost Amen, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago* (1 child) I wonder if the Chinese are better at it that Musk is, because Grok really will revert back to its training data if pushed just slightly. I'm guessing that, yes, the Chinese are much better at it. But, really, if you're talking to an AI to form your worldview, you've sort of already lost... that's not really a core use case. I think the real reason might be that we want AI to make war, so ours needs to be better; and we can't use theirs for our military because maybe there's backdoors we don't know about... which is the same reason nobody in the world wants to buy US military hardware. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago But, really, if you're talking to an AI to form your worldview, you've sort of already lost Amen, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sxan@piefed.zip 2 points 4 days ago But, really, if you're talking to an AI to form your worldview, you've sort of already lost Amen, comrade. permalink fedilink source parent