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Western open-weight models still can’t beat China: Chinese open-weight AI models offer high capability at significantly lower costs than U.S. frontier systems. (restofworld.org)
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[+] -8 points 4 days ago (11 children)

Open-weight is not the point in the AI race so this comparison doesn‘t tell us anything about who‘s leading in whatever metrics they‘re testing right now.

I wish models had to disclose their training sets so IP holders can sue for damages. Those would get into the trillions no doubt. Hell I wish LLMs never got this much out of hand. But I don‘t understand what they‘re getting at with this or why make it a „China VS the West“ thing.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 4 days ago (6 children)

    Open weight AI absolutely matters if the question is who gets to shape the AI ecosystem. A slightly better closed model wins a benchmark: a good open model can be adapted, audited and run without paying a Silicon Valley landlord. And yes, training data transparency should apply to both Chinese and Western labs. That’s not a contradiction: it’s the point. Still: FOSAI » OWAI » ClosedAI

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  • [–] 1 point 3 days ago* (1 child)

    I‘m not sure what gets to shape the AI ecosystem in the long run and I doubt anyone does but open-weights probably isn‘t it right now considering everyone uses either Claude orChatGPT. I don‘t think open-weights matters all that much in the AI race right now given that the models lack behind. Seems like an artificial race to me anyway. I think its really about building more and more of these shitty data centers everywhere because they will find use cases for them after the AI fad is over.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 days ago* (3 children)

    Who owns the compute? The models are irrelevant without the hardware. Leaving you stuck in corpo land.

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    You. Smaller models are getting more and more capable.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 days ago (3 children)

    Because then Western AI companies can go to the governments, point to China and say: "see how advanced they are? See how they can apply that to the economy and military? You'd better give us money and not try to regulate us."

    That is the whole story.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago*

    Just to clarify: This is about western open-weight models being weak not closed models that are objectively more capable than anything open-weight. It‘s like saying China dominates Formula 2 racing when the rest of the world is focused in Formula 1.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)

    You’d better give us money and not try to regulate us.

    Actually, right now, the western AI companies desperately want regulation.

    An unregulated environment is one where they're forced to compete on price against the Chinese companies and startups running open-weight models. All signs point to them losing that battle.

    OpenAI/Anthropic's wish list right now is a bunch of regulation to prevent the use of foreign models, and to require expensive to implement "safety" requirements that make it hard for startups to compete.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 days ago

    Yes, that's a different kind of regulation than the one I was thinking about. They do want market/economic regulation (i.e. ban Chinese model use) but not law/justice regulation (our AI made an oopsie, sorry, not our fault).

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