I’m very much a luddite when it comes to AI, I’m unequivocally against its usage and development. The social and environmental costs AI incurs and proposes to incur are overwhelming. The celebration of AI with Chinese characteristics is often justified by the idea that AI can be useful, and the reason why it’s OK to be vehemently against it otherwise but support it when it’s being implemented by China is because AI can only be a force for evil within the capitalist framework. I agree with the latter point obviously but find it hard to accept that China driving AI advancement is a good thing for the world.

I don’t want to have a debate about whether China is a revisionist state, but I think we can all agree that China has refused to take the role of the Soviet Union in exporting socialism to the world. What happens when it exports AI to countries world over that very much operate within a capitalist framework while China does nothing to advance world wide socialism?

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[–] 17 points 11 hours ago* (4 children)

I think we can all agree that China has refused to take the role of the Soviet Union

I believe China sees 2 storms coming and has chosen to bunker down and shelter it. I believe China has done the math and seen that nothing more they could do today would make anything better long term if they don't survive the storms. Once the US empire has fallen and Climate Change has been provably survived, all bets are off.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

    So China sees no option but to bunker down and participate in AI to keep up with the capitalist rat race. oK. Let’s assume China’s vision for AI implementation within their borders is completely congruent with the socialist framework. What of the rest world and why should I not be against it?

    Once the US empire has fallen and Climate Change has been provably survived, all bets are off.

    That sounds like a lot of handwaiving

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  • [–] 3 points 8 hours ago*

    I think a lot of discourse on here is missing just how powerful these LLMs are today and what impacts are coming. It's easy to make fun of one of these at a time, but that's not how they are going to be used in business. We're going to hit a point where commercially available clusters of agents can work as a team, with some agents writing code, others testing it, writing documents, handling user requests automatically, etc. Yes, one agent can Vibe Code some slop app that is useless, buy 20 of these things working together?!?

    IT is cooked. I see departments of 20+ people across sales, marketing, development, etc. Being pared down to maybe 4-5 "AI coordinators" that babysit a bunch of always-working agents to keep them on task. So much that is computerized is vulnerable to this kind of disruption. And under capitalism it makes sense because why spend $100k/month on staff when you can get the same work out of 50k worth of tokens and a skeleton crew? AI doesn't take time off, doesn't get sick, and never refuses orders.

    I hope China wins this and I hope Hexbear takes this threat more seriously.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    my comment was not about AI specifically, but in regards to AI specifically, what the US is doing in terms of AI seems like paperclip maximalist clown show, while what the China is doing seems like a practical steeleman of what next generation automation could be. The US is ahead on some technical merits, but it's clear to me that China is winning on practical applications, efficiency, aspects related to manufacturing, and most importantly, the not-shitting-all-over-your-citizens aspect of it.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 hours ago

    aspects related to manufacturing,

    Has this improved manufacturing productivity been evidenced by any metric? We all love the concept of FALGSC being implemented and that’s the underlying premise for the wonder of it being built in China but I’m still extremely skeptical of its benefits even in China.

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