I watched it yesterday and interesting is the appropriate word. The interviewee is a young guy, 28, which Jon brought up at the start of their talk. Jacob just shrugged his shoulders. After watching Jon for so many years, I thought it was an oddly unprofessional start, and since Jacob didn't take the bait, it fell flat.

The interview goes on, with Jon poking the well-known, glaring holes in the AI debate, with Jacob nodding along. It seems like they agree. Then Jon mentions the future ramifications of AI. Jacob disagrees, starts repeating the utopian rhetoric. Jon picks at him to get some inroads into a debate. Jacob agrees, not giving up his position of a utopian outcome, but always circling back to the probable dangers.

I like that Jacob was on and that Jon did the interview. This was a tough one, because Jacob exists in a different world than Jon, and as much as he tried, he could not pull Jacob out of it.

Jacob understands there is great danger in the way AI is being developed. He has enough sense to know his employers were reckless and possibly homicidal. What he doesn't understand is that this technology isn't inevitable. He's seen the back end, he understands the leaps and bounds LLMs have made, but he didn't live through the "inevitably" of nuclear war, the "inevitably" of every computer going dark on Y2K. Even video calls were seen as the future norm in Sci-fi movies, but with all this capability, we'd rather text.

I like that they gave the interview time to breathe. It might not have been the most engaging TV, but I appreciated its awkwardness. Jacob is a tech-bro. We don't often get a journalist on Jon's level to give him the what-for. Watch it while you can.