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[+] -11 points 20 hours ago* (25 children)

Every government is authoritarian, so the logical solution would be to abolish government altogether.

Signed,
An anarchist

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (2 children)

    How are you gonna defend your country from fascism if you won’t express authority on hostile invasions? You think Hitler was defeated by just chillin and giving up authority? I gotta stop taking the bait.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 hour ago (1 child)

    Going to copy paste my previous response:

    With weapons, voluntary training programs (both in terms of participation and guidance), and organization.

    If some group of bad actors try to coup your community, you don't just lie back and take it.

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  • [–] 0 points 33 minutes ago* (last edited 1 minute ago)

    That’s authoritarian

    Edit: if you abolish the government already before this theoretical invasion there is no voluntary training, there is no organization because you need authority to back those systems up otherwise some Nazis are just going to act cool until you train them and then they’ll take all your shit. Or just come in and kill you while your random decentralized groups are training and organizing.

    So now your back @ square one, no government, everything is decentralized (no one group of organizers because those who organize into hierarchy are authoritarian) Nazis took all your weapons, and I ask again, how are you going to defend your country which has now been violently invaded and destroyed by fascists?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

    Step 1: Abolish Government

    Step 2: Establish absolutely no institutional infrastucture to ensure nobody else makes a new government. Because that would be authoritatian.

    Step 3: Someone makes another government by establishing a monopoly on violence.

    Step 4: Abolish Government... wait what?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 hours ago* (3 children)

    Straw man
    noun

    • An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated.
    • A doll or scarecrow (particularly one stuffed with straw).
    • An insubstantial concept, idea, endeavor or argument, particularly one deliberately set up to be weakly supported, so that it can be easily knocked down; especially to impugn the strength of any related thing or idea.
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  • [–] 4 points 1 hour ago* (2 children)

    Specify how what I described is different than what you'd do then. What mechanisms or institutions would you put in place to prevent step 3?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 hour ago (1 child)

    With weapons, voluntary training programs (both in terms of participation and guidance), and organization.

    If some group of bad actors try to coup your community, you don't just lie back and take it.

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  • [–] 21 points 19 hours ago (12 children)

    Capitalists aren't going to let you abolish their rule without an organized violence that they will tell others is "authoritarian".

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  • [+] -7 points 18 hours ago (11 children)

    You mean a revolution? In that case, I can agree with all but the very last word.

    "Authoritarian" is (generally speaking) a word used to describe governments' usage of violence or other means to either establish or maintain rule over their populace.

    The capitalist class (or, more generally speaking speaking, the powerful elite) will more often use terms like "barbarians," "rioters," or similar language. They will reserve the word "authoritarian" as a separate method of propaganda to go to war with countries they want to steal natural resources from or to otherwise invade to expand their empire, though I'm not a historian by any means, so the idea of "regieme change" might be a bit newer than I'm thinking.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 hours ago

    “Authoritarian” is (generally speaking) a word used to describe governments’ usage of violence or other means to either establish or maintain rule over their populace.

    So all governments

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago

    “Authoritarian” is (generally speaking) a word used to describe governments’ usage of violence or other means to either establish or maintain rule over their populace.

    That's just every government. The word is completely meaningless using your definition, you can just say "state" or "government" or "regime".

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

    “A revolution is certainly the most authoritarian thing there is; it is the act whereby one part of the population imposes its will upon the other part by means of rifles, bayonets and cannon — authoritarian means, if such there be at all; and if the victorious party does not want to have fought in vain, it must maintain this rule by means of the terror which its arms inspire in the reactionists. Would the Paris Commune have lasted a single day if it had not made use of this authority of the armed people against the bourgeois? Should we not, on the contrary, reproach it for not having used it freely enough?”

    ― Frederick Engels

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  • [+] -10 points 16 hours ago (7 children)

    Is there a real world example of the bourgeois specifically calling revolutionairies authoritarian, or is that limited to theory?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago*

    Cuba, China, Vietnam, USSR, DPRK, Soviet Afghanistan (The one where women weren't slaves, which the US overthrew in favour of poppy-growing pedophiles), East Germany, Nelson Mandela, Venezuela, Chile, the list goes on. Similarly: Countries that do not have governments, they have "regimes". They do not have Vice-presidents or deputies, they have "hand-picked successors".

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

    Western media regularly calls China and DPRK authoritarian.

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  • [+] -10 points 15 hours ago* (3 children)

    Those are governments/countries and not at all what I'm talking about. I'm talking about an organization of people attempting a revolution on their own government.

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  • [–] [S] 13 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

    Oh, they cultivate anarchists domestically to do that.

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  • [+] -8 points 15 hours ago (1 child)

    Define what you mean by anarchist, because we may have very different definitions of the word.

    When I say anarchist, I mean those who believe in the philosophical ideals of anarchism, which could manifest in many different forms, but all have one common thread, being having the ideal of the abolition of heirarchy in society (which makes something like AnCap not anarchy despite its name).

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