Anyone tested this yet?

Enable with --moe-cache-mib N. In experiments it was found 10% of the total expert size is good.

Baseline is master with the default --fit. With --moe-cache-mib, --fit counts the cache and keeps fewer whole expert layers on the GPU.

I'm still using

commit 38976372452722cf5e6846429aa33ee892c9d89a
Author: Miltos22

To run that commit, do this:

git remote add miltos22 https://github.com/miltos22/llama.cpp-wackMall-merge-request.git
git fetch miltos22
git fetch miltos22 38976372452722cf5e6846429aa33ee892c9d89a:refs/tags/miltos22-expert-caching-1
git checkout miltos22-expert-caching-1

When I have to use a low expert-hot-s value because I don't have enough VRAM for the model, I use like:

expert-hot-s = 13
expert-hyst = 1.35
expert-heat-decay = 0.9988
expert-dwell = 2

Higher hysteresis, lower decay, and a little bit of expert-dwell reduces the PCI-e back-and-forth bandwidth usage.

There were a bunch of competing PRs for expert caching.

  1. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/17044
  2. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/21609
  3. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/21614
  4. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/23170
  5. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/24524
  6. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/discussions/24528
  7. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/25294
  8. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/discussions/25469
  9. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/25932
  10. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/26414
  11. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/26563
  12. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/26824
  13. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/pull/27861
  14. https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/discussions/28248
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[–] 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Yup worth a try. I got from 13ts to 21ts for Qwen 3.8 Flash Next on a RX 9070 XT 16GB. As always, the additional memory demand requires some compromise. For me reducing context from full 262k to 200k and reducing kv cache down to q8_0 was the best option. moe-cache-mib at 6544. Cache hit rate at ~70%.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (2 children)

    How? Isnt that model like 100gbs??

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    You don't need to load the full model into VRAM. In my case it is offloaded into RAM. Some also get away with offloading to an NVME SSD.

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  • [–] 1 point 21 hours ago

    Huh always figured thatd slow everything down a bunch but youre getting similiar t/s to me using 1080ti and a ~20gb 35b a3b model. And for some reason thats way faster then runing q2 qwen 27b model that totally fit on the card getting like 2t/s

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