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[–] 29 points 2 days ago* (18 children)

Vehicular cycling advocates have set cycling back decades in USA, with the result being this thought.

A car or a bicycle travelling at 30% of the speed of traffic introduces a considerable risk. It’s why bike lanes aren’t also sidewalks. But it’s not a reason for vehicular homicide!

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  • [–] 19 points 2 days ago* (3 children)

    I get why getting behind any vehicle moving at 30% of the expected rate of speed is an annoyance, and that annoyance is doubly so when it’s a person just doing recreation.

    But what I come back to is that cycling isn’t just recreation. It’s also a legitimate form of transportation for some people who cannot drive (for various reasons) or for those who cannot afford it. It’s also one of the last remaining forms that isn’t privacy-invasive (either by the state or corporations).

    People on two wheels should be conscious of holding up traffic, but those on four don’t own the roads. We’re all in this together.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child)

    One thing people don't get is that car people think that the cyclist took his car to ride his bike as a fun activity. Nobody could be doing anything "legitimate" like going to work on a bicycle.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago

    That’s also part of the Vehicular Cycling/Forester problem. Forester, distilled and paraphrased, was a proponent of “serious” cyclists, which included the MAML (Middle-Aged Man in Lycra) on racing bikes and excluded the person picking up groceries on a bike with baskets. Which summs up to “cycling is for recreation”. And visibly, the aggressive cyclists tend towards that MAML image, rather than dad picking up groceries or mom cycling to work.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    I get your point, but more often than not, the car lanes are the only option for cyclists

    If you're driving your 2 ton shitbox in public, then you have to drive knowing that one mistake of yours or someone else's can and will cost lives

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  • [–] 10 points 2 days ago (8 children)

    What is a vehicular cycle and why would one advocate for it?

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  • [–] 24 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    Video Essay or Wikipedia

    Tl;DW/R: pretending bikes are cars and claiming bike lanes are dangerous.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (6 children)

    This is like if women's MMA didn't exist so they had to come up with a lot of copium to justify women competing against men.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    No? The difference between women and men is nowhere close to the disparity between a car and a bike. What is this comparison?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (2 children)

    What do you think the win:lose ratio of men against women would be if professional MMA put all women in competition with men and made no other adjustments?

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  • [–] 1 point 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 child)

    Without dealing with the institutional misogyny that affects sports and especially MMA (budget for example) that discourages women from training and prevents them from getting the same facilities as their men counterparts? Yeah, the ratio would be skewed towards men. Maybe more if you for some reason decide to eschew weight classification, a system that is actually based on more than "all women are weak little flowers that will be wrecked by any man"

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