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[–] 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 child)

Sure.

I had someone physically threaten me, very seriously, while I was working at a convenience store because they thought I was friends with another employee.

A few days later, they said that apparently they had continued to stalk the person they were mad at, and they figured out that I actually did just work at the same place and wasn't actually friends with the other person. They then approached me while I was working, again, and explained this.

I wasn't impressed with this kind of apology, and I didn't pretend to be.

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Also, just thinking about the topic a bit more- I actually think a lot of apologies are for the wrong reasons, and would better be left unsaid, and/or unaccepted.

@crayons_to_chaos@piefed.social and @gastroglizzy@piefed.social both make good points about genuine apologies in this thread- that genuine apologies are for the benefit of the person that has been wronged, not the person doing the apologizing; and that a genuine apology is a promise of doing better in the relationship with that person.

But many times, a lot of people (myself included) feel motivated to apologize because we feel embarrassed or guilty or uncomfortable with our own reflection. Then we seek out the other person so that we can "apologize" to them so that they will tell us that we are forgiven and ok and lovable or whatever. And the predictable effect of this is that once we feel like we have permission to feel better about ourselves again, then we often go right back to the same attitudes or the same behaviors and we repeat the same cycles all over again.

Those kinds of self-serving apologies really do a disservice to the person that we have already hurt; and they squander our own opportunity to learn and grow for ourselves.

In many cases, a better choice for the person who has committed a transgression may be to practice sitting with our own feelings of disappointment or guilt or regret, and we can try to really pay attention to what those feelings are trying to tell us, and try to really understand why we acted the way we did. We can ask ourselves what our values actually are, and why we didn't act consistently with those values in this situation; and instead of trying to undo the past, we can try to look forward to the chance to embody different choices next time.

Also, for those who are offered the kind of apology that seems more motivated by a desire to relieve the other person's guilt than to genuinely demonstrate a sincere commitment to changing, it can actually be an opportunity for both people to practice not excusing the behavior, and to let the tension remain the way it is instead.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 hours ago

    I agree. But depending on the Person and their upbringing of cause, the pondering can lead to a toxic self image, if this behaviour is internalized and seen as a charakter trait instead of a misshap. Thats i think due guild shifting into toxic shame.

    So i think like you said the apology is helpful for the Person doing the apology to overcome a bad feeling before it turns ok them selves if they dont have a solid way to deal with emotions

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