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Green party votes to adopt policy that equates Zionism with racism (www.theguardian.com)
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[–] 0 points 6 hours ago* (4 children)

I posted this to the United Kingdom community here but for some reason it was deleted almost immediately. I'm not sure why as the mods haven't said.

I somewhat agree with the "Zionism is racism" stance. Depending on how you define Zionism, it is very akin to white nationalism: You want to create a nation exclusively for one group of people, to the detriment of everyone else. We see the genocidal approach that has resulted from this dangerous viewpoint.

Could it be that in some world Zionism could be peaceful? Maybe, maybe not. That's not the world we live in though.

I can see where the motion is coming from. That said, is it for us in the UK to say that a one-state solution is the correct one? I think that's overstepping our boundaries.

Saying genocide is unacceptable would have been enough imo. Saying Zionism is bad I think is also reasonable. I'm not sure about solutionizing from afar.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago

    Could it be that in some world Zionism could be peaceful? Maybe, maybe not.

    It would really help to study the history of how and who brought about Zionism. It is maybe less racist but definitely coloniser ideology.

    I’m not sure about solutionizing from afar.

    Have to do something. Can't wait for perfect thinking that the perfect will everyone back who got killed during that time. It's a step in the right direction. Tsunamis are made of droplets.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago (1 child)

    That said, is it for us in the UK to say that a one-state solution is the correct one? I think that's overstepping our boundaries.

    We're already overstepping our boundaries by arming Israel. That's a much worse case of solutionizing from afar. It's a rather final solution from afar.

    This stance is one that says "This is morally wrong". Supporting a one state solution is just saying "We think this is a good road to peace and will support all efforts to go this way". It's not a demand on anyone. I'm sure green party members will be happy to see anything that stops the killing.

    I don't really see what you're wringing your hands over.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago*

    We're already overstepping our boundaries by arming Israel

    Well yes, as a country, we should be sanctioning Israel as a whole to put an end to that. To make it illegal to do such a thing, rather than just wagging our fingers.

    Calling out a genocide where we see one and fully divesting from it is one thing.

    I don't think that necessarily gives us the go ahead to tell other countries how to resolve their problems. That, and I think the world is not really ready to hear this. We risk alienating people, even if we are right.

    You might call me a coward, or a centrist or something, but I wonder if this was a smart move. There are some things I want us to have very clear policies on: environmantalism, support of LGTBQ people, being against genocide etc. I don't want to cater to or placate Zionists. I just wonder if we overstretched here and may have shot ourselves in the foot around getting support from less informed or more moderate Greens.

    Seems like that's exactly what's happening, to some extent: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/05/green-party-england-wales-zionism-racism-vote-europe-germany though the Greens in Germany are pretty far gone.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

    If zionism means "we have the right to live and worship in our ancestral homeland" only and has nothing to do with power, government, control, etc. then that sounds fine to me (I mostly think humans should be able to do that everywhere). I know some people believe in zionism in that sense.

    As soon as it becomes exclusive/exclusionary or involves control or power, or involves "chosenness", it's into racist territory IMO.

    edit: I can't spell.

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