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[–] 116 points 9 hours ago (14 children)

also, "long wait times", at least in Canada, are often a result of gutting being done to the healthcare system at the provincial level by conservative governments in an effort to convince people to privatize, and some idiots always fuckin fall for it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago*

    Same in Italy, hospitals don't get enough found because the government (which is usually right wing but rarely center-left too) does not give enough money to hospitals and then (stupid) people say "look at Switzerland!! They do way better than us, we must do like 'em" or as some said a few years back "look at USA!!! With their private healthcare! They are doing good"

    Yeah, good my ass, now they are suffering

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  • [–] 13 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

    It's also exaggerated, in my experience.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (3 children)

    In my experience it isn't.

    Relative has a non-life threatening issue that affects their quality of life. Didn't know what was causing it. Had booked an appointment in Canada. Wait time 5-6 months. Came with me along to Greece for the summer this year. Within 3 weeks, they saw 3 different specialists, and did tests (and received results) that would themselves require appointments and waiting times. Within 3 weeks they had a diagnosis, and had started treatment. Ironically, by the end of week 2, they got a call from the first appointment from back home, that an opening was available on week 3.

    Total cost for all doctors and tests was about 400 EUR ~ 600 CAD, because they didn't have Greek social insurance and were paying fully private rates. That's about the same as visiting one of those specialists in the private system in Quebec, if you don't want to wait 5-6 months each time.

    Greece > Quebec

    I chalk it up to the fact that Greece has so many doctors, that they are actually supplying western european countries (UK, Germany) with doctors leaving for better wages. At the same time Canadian doctor boards act as if they need to do everything in their power to minimize the number of doctors graduating or getting their credentials recognized each year. I mean if they actually did try it, I don't see how they could do a better job at sucking. I know stories of people who came to Canada to work in tech with a doctor spouse and they left because the doctor spouse would have to basically spend 4-6 years sucking the dick of the Ontario Board of Physicians and Surgeons to get Italian credentials accepted.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (2 children)

    I never meant to imply that there can't be long wait times, just that they are, in my opinion, exaggerated. I have had to wait for things as well, but having experienced health care in the USA, I could not really complain.

    Canada definitely could improved, but it's still night and day better than what's south of the border, imho.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 hours ago (1 child)

    Broadly, as a New Canadian, I actually hate the fact that Canadians always compare themselves with the US, because the bar is ridiculously low. Of course it is night and day compared to the US, that's true of basically everything Canadian, except, I dunno, the Americans with Disabilities Act, maybe? We need to raise our bar.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 hour ago

    I just said that I believe it could be improved. My bar is higher than the USA, but that doesn't change the fact that I'm thankful that it's better than the USA, having experienced both. They are not mutually exclusive sentiments.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 hours ago

    It isn't always exaggerated but generally lacks context.

    Some types of surgery can have long wait times if they are non life threatening but can drastically improve quality of life which is very very frustrating.

    The thing they ignore though is that most people waiting could not afford the surgery at all in a private system. Most people in Canada live very close to the border and American health care is more than willing to take their money.

    It isn't perfect and we should definitely be investing more in and trying to address problems but I don't see how things like American HMOs are anything more then rent seekers.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

    Yep, same here. The ÖVP in Austria (a bit like "Republicans light" in the US, with a conservative view regarding social services and neolibs regarding economy, while mostly not being fucking grifters) are always trying to cut finances to the public health system, which makes the situation worse, and then they use the shit they caused as an argument to cut more services.

    Good thing is, the old parties are on their way out because their voter base is dying out. Bad news is that instead of them we have a far-right party scooping up their voters. The Socialist Party, which is one of the old parties, is occupied with infighting similar to the democrats in the US between the left wing and the centrists, with the expected loss of voters because of the old people dying and the party utterly being disconnected from the younger generations, and the greens are occupying themselves with culture wars bullshit instead of trying to help the populace out. The communists are achieving local successes where they work to make sure that housing is affordable, while being utterly unvoteable on the federal level. And then we have a pure neolib party (NEOs) which is ÖVP light.

    All of this makes me fear for the social peace in the country.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 hours ago* (1 child)

    It's similar in Germany.

    The CDU/CSU, our conservatives, huffed a bit too much of their own supply and had brilliant ideas like reducing the public deficit by reducing infrastructure spending to zero. When that somehow started costing them votes after bridges started to collapse they decided to lean wholesale into the culture war bullshit by "engaging" the hard-right AfD by copying their rhetoric wholesale. Oddly enough, all this does is legitimize the AfD and drive voters to them. Currently the chancellor is busy trying to find out how unpopular he can get before the government collapses, championing policies that would've instantly ended careers twenty years ago. (And yes, this includes cuts to the healthcare system and "cost-saving" measures that everyone agrees will drive up costs.)

    The SPD, our social democrats, have essentially purged all of their social democrat members and are now a business-friendly rump party with no discernible character or platform. The Greens have softened their ecological policies to the point of pointlessness. The FDP, our libertarians, were always ready to harm the country to help the rich; the last time they were in office they were so blatant about it they destroyed the governing coalition and are now deeply despised.

    The one traditional party that somehow moved in a positive direction was The Left, whose Russia fanboys tried to spin off into their own populist party, which then fizzled out. This, and the fact that they still somewhat care about what the label says, makes them the only ones who haven't fully enhsittified themselves.

    Then there's the new boy on the block, the AfD. Positioning themselves as a moderate conservative worker's party, their actual policies only don't declare foreigners (and foreign-looking people) to be second-class humans because that spot is already reserved for Germans who aren't independently wealthy. Foreigners are somewhere below that. Due to an inexplicably effective social media presence and the general fecklessness of the established parties they're rising meteorically.

    Notably, the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution only hasn't designated the AfD as a known extremist organization because they immediately sued and the designation must be withheld until the suit is resolved. Several federal countries have designated them as threats to the democratic order. The CDU/CSU insists the can't possibly be banned, at first because they were too small, now because they're too big.

    There are smaller parties that aren't yet self-serving empty husks but they generally don't have any chance of making it past the 5% hurdle because they don't have the weight of tradition or the equivalent of a billion Euro advertising budget behind them. I personally am somewhat partial towards the Humanists because they cite scientific papers for each of their policies. It's a nice break from the usual "our way is the only correct way because we say so". Too bad they'll probably never make it big.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 hours ago*

    At least you guys have Die Linke - we are sorely lacking anything of the sort, while the FPÖ (AfD for Austrians) is getting more and more public support, with the same inhuman rhetoric and the same inexplicably effective social media boost - US social media and their owners deserve the guillotine for messing up our societies.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    The strategy is called “starve the beast”.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    If you intentionally break something while telling everyone it's broken, you are technically correct, but still an idiot.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago*

    It’s usually done under the guise of reducing taxes or reducing the size of government.

    Usually done by our Republican (Conservative) Party spouting generalities like “taxes are too high”, “government is wasteful”, “private company could do better”. Somehow they always skip the part where the functionality is important and the private alternative is worse and costlier (but at least their buddies get to profit)

    Apparently voters fall for it, without consideration for what is being cut or whether it really needs to be

    And somehow we also keep falling for “reduce taxes” even when that only benefits the wealthy, and when that’s actually the biggest source of debt

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