Let me explain here, as just one example. There was a tv show that was broadcast in the late 2000’s - early 2010’s. About 5-6 years ago, right when I felt nostalgic and wanted to watch it again, the tv show in question was pulled from all major streaming services, and DVDs of the show were not produced (or if they were, I was never able to get my hands on them). The only way that this cartoonish show was watchable for a time was via second-hand archives on YouTube, dailymotion, etc. However, despite the fact that the show was made inaccessible, the copyright holder’s official website states even to this day that the show is copyright, which means that unofficial uploads on YouTube should be in violation of copyright (the YouTube channels were just amateurish accounts and not credible, official accounts, just to be clear). As such, it was ambiguous as to whether the production company was going to lease the rights to the show. Whilst interest in the show has gone now, it did make me wonder: is it ever justifiable (either legally or ethically, or morally) to pirate media that has been completely pulled from circulation despite the original owner maintaining copyright (and therefore ownership) of? Or, is it (legally, ethically or morally) justifiable to pirate media where the copyright status is ambiguous (i.e. you don’t know if anyone owns it) [classic case study I always hear about: British PSAs, icons of 70’s 80’s and 90’s kids childhoods, yet locked behind copyright doors whose keys may lie in the hand of legal ambiguity]

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[–] 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think it's ethically justifiable to pirate media that has been abandoned by its creators; without such action, media would become lost.

Legally, it's not ok until it goes out of copyright, but if the company that has the rights to a work isn't even selling it, it'd be rather weird for them to bother wasting money pursuing a claim against you.

I'd rather like to see the laws changed so that what feels ethical and what is legal are in alignment with each other again, but I don't expect sanity on that front to show up during my lifetime...

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 2 days ago* (1 child)

    But what if you didn’t know if the creators had definitely abandoned it? After all, if they maintain copyright control, there’s surely the possibility that they might revive it at some point/re exert their control over it, right?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

    If I can't go on Amazon and buy a copy for sale at any price, I'm of the opinion that I'm justified in pirating it -- and I have put my money where my mouth is on that point.

    Edit: to be clear, I'm talking about commercially produced films and tv shows; I'd look elsewhere for e.g. games

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