cross-posted from: https://quokk.au/c/world/p/1191953/us-to-build-two-military-bases-in-greenland-under-new-deal-with-denmark

The defence deal signed at the UN General Assembly also re-affirms Denmark's sovereignty over its semi-autonomous Arctic territory.

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[–] 4 points 3 days ago (11 children)

These bases won't be operational for years, by which time we'll likely be rational again.

And with the US carrier strategy, this doesn't really make attacking Greenland any easier or more likely.

They're not building from scratch, but one is abandoned and one was only used by dog sledders...

The current US government isn't exactly competent, this is not a short term threat.

It also says that "no state that is not a member of Nato shall be allowed to establish its own manned or unmanned military installations in Greenland nor shall they be allowed a persistent presence of military forces in Greenland".

And locks us into NATO in the meantime, which is a short term threat

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (5 children)

    I hope we will be rational again in a couple years. It took trials and decades of divided Germany to mostly fix the scourge of Nazism. We might have to ban all MAGA speech and symbols, which would be an interesting Constitutional challenge.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 days ago (4 children)

    Buddy...

    Like, you for real think trump leaving office will be as big of a deal as the Nazis losing WW2?

    Shits fucking bad, to an unacceptable level...

    But it's nowhere near actually nazi bad, even though most of Trump's admin wants it to be. Like, the reason it was so hard post WW2, is even German children were conscripted into the Nazi military. They were actually fighting in a war, and carried that damage with them after the war

    That alone is a massive difference.

    trump disappearing from American politics will be much closer to GW leaving office than hitler shooting himself.

    By 2030 I fully expect most Republicans to claim they never personally supported trump just like they did after GW left office.

    But all that needs to happen to keep them out of office is not having the only option be a neoliberal. And since neoliberals can't win fair elections and the current DNC will run fair primaries, we don't

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  • [–] 1 point 2 days ago (2 children)

    I'm not saying MAGA is as bad as Nazi Germany (yet), but the lawbreaking, ethics violations, and constitutional infringements will take many many years to process. It's been multiple things by so much of the administration every damn day.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago (1 child)

    but the lawbreaking, ethics violations, and constitutional infringements will take many many years to process.

    None of that started with trump...

    trump just sucks at hiding it.

    And it's as easy of a fix as electing a decent president. The reason that used to be hard, was neoliberals controlling the DNC for 30+ years.

    The reason it stopped being hard, is neoliberals don't control the DNC.

    Like, two years ago people would have said it would take decades to route out the corruption in the NYC mayora office.

    It was actually pretty easy. Mamdani's big secret is he's just genuinely trying to fix shit

    That works on a national level as well

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  • [–] 2 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    Yep, nothing new about those bases, just two money pits in the middle of nowhere. If they end up being more than a rough airfield and a dozen marines in a tent, it will be shocking. And by “it” I mean the price tag.

    The new pact says the US "shall be allowed to establish an additional Defence Area at Narsarsuaq and Mestersvig" […] Narsarsuaq is a former civilian airport and World War Two base. […] The Mestersvig outpost is remote, far less developed, and used by a Danish naval dog sled unit.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 days ago

    My main concern is that Trump seems to have learned that "military facility" is his magic "I can do what I want" card. The ballroom has a bunker under it so it's a matter of national security to build it. His triumphal arch is going to be a sniper nest and drone launcher (can't make this stuff up) so it's a matter of national security.

    So let's see if those "military bases" come with oil wells or strip mines as an integral part of their design.

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  • These bases won't be operational for years, by which time we'll likely be rational again.

    You think? I decided I won't go to Fascistan ever again in my lifetime, about 10 years ago. Neither for missions nor for holidays. Lots of bridges are burnt and it will take more than a lifetime to rebuild trust. By which time Fascistan and Putistan and Europe will likely be irrelevant because China and India etc...

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