▲ 219 ▼ FAA tees up $875M AI tool to help manage air traffic congestion (arstechnica.com) submitted 1 week ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 89 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] tquid@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 week ago (13 children) That should go swimmingly permalink fedilink source hideshow 13 child comments replies: [–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 week ago (1 child) Only if there’s a body of water near the terminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago so yes! permalink fedilink source parent [–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (10 children) Well, honestly, this might be one of the use cases where these "AI" tools could be useful. Pattern recognition is something they are actually great at accomplishing. That said, I am still skeptical and concerned that the algorithms are being designed and deployed mindfully. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (8 children) we can't even get self driving cars right yet, I'm not sure ATC is going to be any better (certainly not on whatever pittance the government will fund it). 99% reliability will probably be easy, it's that last 1% that could take decades to fix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (6 children) We've had self flying and landing planes for years though. You can't really compare controlled airspace to the chaos that is operating on the ground. I'm still skeptical they won't fuck it up, but this should be a manageable problem for ai. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] fake@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago We’ve had self flying and landing planes for years though Because none of it relies on any kind of AI. It doesn't have to make decisions, it just flies programmatically. If you commanded it to fly into the ground it would (has, Germanwings crash). Autopilot wont even respond to a collision avoidance resolution advisory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (3 children) That’s different than AI tho That’s an example of a computer being utilized in the way ut should be (with predictable outcomes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) People don't realize that LLMs are not computers. LLMs are software that turns a computer (an incredibly powerful tool of reliability and precision) into an imitation of a room temperature IQ person who thinks they're an infallible genius because they can search google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Determinism is one of the greatest properties of a computer and should be the gold standard of any program. Guess what LLMs fundamentally can't do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Make a profit? permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Yet pilots still fly and land manually. And if those systems work so well why haven't we had self-controlling air traffic for years too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] wagesj45@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago It's one of those things that can absolutely be done with care, effort, and money. But we lack a government that will put any of those toward the project. And the private sector will actively undermine it to scrape a few more pennies off the top. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago* this will not work with ATC, or even cars in general too many things can go wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 week ago (1 child) Only if there’s a body of water near the terminal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago so yes! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago (10 children) Well, honestly, this might be one of the use cases where these "AI" tools could be useful. Pattern recognition is something they are actually great at accomplishing. That said, I am still skeptical and concerned that the algorithms are being designed and deployed mindfully. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (8 children) we can't even get self driving cars right yet, I'm not sure ATC is going to be any better (certainly not on whatever pittance the government will fund it). 99% reliability will probably be easy, it's that last 1% that could take decades to fix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (6 children) We've had self flying and landing planes for years though. You can't really compare controlled airspace to the chaos that is operating on the ground. I'm still skeptical they won't fuck it up, but this should be a manageable problem for ai. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] fake@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago We’ve had self flying and landing planes for years though Because none of it relies on any kind of AI. It doesn't have to make decisions, it just flies programmatically. If you commanded it to fly into the ground it would (has, Germanwings crash). Autopilot wont even respond to a collision avoidance resolution advisory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (3 children) That’s different than AI tho That’s an example of a computer being utilized in the way ut should be (with predictable outcomes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) People don't realize that LLMs are not computers. LLMs are software that turns a computer (an incredibly powerful tool of reliability and precision) into an imitation of a room temperature IQ person who thinks they're an infallible genius because they can search google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Determinism is one of the greatest properties of a computer and should be the gold standard of any program. Guess what LLMs fundamentally can't do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Make a profit? permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Yet pilots still fly and land manually. And if those systems work so well why haven't we had self-controlling air traffic for years too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] wagesj45@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago It's one of those things that can absolutely be done with care, effort, and money. But we lack a government that will put any of those toward the project. And the private sector will actively undermine it to scrape a few more pennies off the top. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago* this will not work with ATC, or even cars in general too many things can go wrong. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago* (8 children) we can't even get self driving cars right yet, I'm not sure ATC is going to be any better (certainly not on whatever pittance the government will fund it). 99% reliability will probably be easy, it's that last 1% that could take decades to fix. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (6 children) We've had self flying and landing planes for years though. You can't really compare controlled airspace to the chaos that is operating on the ground. I'm still skeptical they won't fuck it up, but this should be a manageable problem for ai. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] fake@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago We’ve had self flying and landing planes for years though Because none of it relies on any kind of AI. It doesn't have to make decisions, it just flies programmatically. If you commanded it to fly into the ground it would (has, Germanwings crash). Autopilot wont even respond to a collision avoidance resolution advisory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (3 children) That’s different than AI tho That’s an example of a computer being utilized in the way ut should be (with predictable outcomes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) People don't realize that LLMs are not computers. LLMs are software that turns a computer (an incredibly powerful tool of reliability and precision) into an imitation of a room temperature IQ person who thinks they're an infallible genius because they can search google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Determinism is one of the greatest properties of a computer and should be the gold standard of any program. Guess what LLMs fundamentally can't do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Make a profit? permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Yet pilots still fly and land manually. And if those systems work so well why haven't we had self-controlling air traffic for years too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] wagesj45@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago It's one of those things that can absolutely be done with care, effort, and money. But we lack a government that will put any of those toward the project. And the private sector will actively undermine it to scrape a few more pennies off the top. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago* (6 children) We've had self flying and landing planes for years though. You can't really compare controlled airspace to the chaos that is operating on the ground. I'm still skeptical they won't fuck it up, but this should be a manageable problem for ai. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] fake@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago We’ve had self flying and landing planes for years though Because none of it relies on any kind of AI. It doesn't have to make decisions, it just flies programmatically. If you commanded it to fly into the ground it would (has, Germanwings crash). Autopilot wont even respond to a collision avoidance resolution advisory. permalink fedilink source parent [–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (3 children) That’s different than AI tho That’s an example of a computer being utilized in the way ut should be (with predictable outcomes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) People don't realize that LLMs are not computers. LLMs are software that turns a computer (an incredibly powerful tool of reliability and precision) into an imitation of a room temperature IQ person who thinks they're an infallible genius because they can search google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Determinism is one of the greatest properties of a computer and should be the gold standard of any program. Guess what LLMs fundamentally can't do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Make a profit? permalink fedilink source parent [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Yet pilots still fly and land manually. And if those systems work so well why haven't we had self-controlling air traffic for years too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fake@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 week ago We’ve had self flying and landing planes for years though Because none of it relies on any kind of AI. It doesn't have to make decisions, it just flies programmatically. If you commanded it to fly into the ground it would (has, Germanwings crash). Autopilot wont even respond to a collision avoidance resolution advisory. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] h0tbeef@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago (3 children) That’s different than AI tho That’s an example of a computer being utilized in the way ut should be (with predictable outcomes permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) People don't realize that LLMs are not computers. LLMs are software that turns a computer (an incredibly powerful tool of reliability and precision) into an imitation of a room temperature IQ person who thinks they're an infallible genius because they can search google. permalink fedilink source parent [–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Determinism is one of the greatest properties of a computer and should be the gold standard of any program. Guess what LLMs fundamentally can't do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Make a profit? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) People don't realize that LLMs are not computers. LLMs are software that turns a computer (an incredibly powerful tool of reliability and precision) into an imitation of a room temperature IQ person who thinks they're an infallible genius because they can search google. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] orclev@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago (1 child) Determinism is one of the greatest properties of a computer and should be the gold standard of any program. Guess what LLMs fundamentally can't do? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Make a profit? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* Yet pilots still fly and land manually. And if those systems work so well why haven't we had self-controlling air traffic for years too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wagesj45@fedia.io 5 points 1 week ago It's one of those things that can absolutely be done with care, effort, and money. But we lack a government that will put any of those toward the project. And the private sector will actively undermine it to scrape a few more pennies off the top. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 1 week ago* this will not work with ATC, or even cars in general too many things can go wrong. permalink fedilink source parent