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Ed Sheeran calls situation in Gaza ‘unjustifiable’ in first concert since Macklemore controversy (www.nbcnews.com)
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[–] 4 points 1 week ago (8 children)

How did you get to 'Free Palistine is Fascist' exactly? How is being against the wholesale slaughter of civilians and the indiscriminate bombing of entire cities during Israel's explicitly illegal occupation of Palestine pro-Fascism?

Fascism is the binding together of state and corporate powers to promote the interests of the mythical "deserving" people while expelling the "undeserving" underclass. I'm not sure you can coherently sympathize with the interests of an extremely wealthy ethnostate while they commit a genocide using the most advanced weapons systems the world has ever seen and talk about the evils of Fascism...

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  • [+] -10 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I'm looking at the actions of the group, instead of all of the moralizing you do with each other. The use of intimidation and harassment campaigns are the tactics of a fascist movement.

    We're currently in a community that's supposed to be dedicated to Music. What does the music of Ed Sheeran have to do with the plight of Palestinians? If fewer people go to his concerts and buy his albums, how does that improve anything for Palestinians?

    The point of this movement is not about improving anything for Palestinians. The harassment and intimidation is the point. You just mindlessly rattle off some words about "capitalist ethnostate genocide" to make the harassment and intimidation sound vaguely moral, but none of that has anything to do with music or Ed Sheeran.

    You're obviously just roaming around the internet looking for people to intimidate to make yourselves feel strong. The goal is to make people afraid of your movement. That is the emotional core of all fascist movements.

    Do you think you're the only fascist movement that can spell the word "genocide"?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago

    Harassment campaigns? Intimidation?

    Those aren't accurate when you're talking about people being oppressed and abused. It's not harassment it's standing up for.

    It's like seeing someone being attacked, standing up for them and when you hurt the attacker people are calling YOU the attacker. It's nonsense and illogical

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (5 children)

    What does the music of Ed Sheeran have to do with the plight of Palestinians? > Sheeran kicked someone off his tour for saying the forbidden two words because a billionaire told him to.

    The point of this movement is not about improving anything for Palestinians. > Macklemore donated $1M to Palestinian charities and encouraged others to join him in doing the same.

    You just mindlessly rattle off some words about “capitalist ethnostate genocide” to make the harassment and intimidation sound vaguely moral... > I gave you a precise definition of Fascism. I did not mindlessly rattle anything off. However, you seem to be using the term Fascism based on vibes...

    The goal is to make people afraid of your movement. > The goal is to end Israel's genocide in Gaza by challenging their "righteous hero" narrative and ending the uncritical support it gets from Western governments and corporations.

    That is the emotional core of all fascist movements. > Fascism isn't a feeling. It has a definition. The actual, literal core of Fascism is the binding together of state and corporate forces to keep power in the hands of the "deserving". What you are describing is not even remotely Fascist...

    I'm not sure if you're a troll or genuinely believe what you're saying. But if you do really care about Fascism, by telling people to shutup, stay in their lane, and keep it about the music, you are being a mouthpiece for the neo-Fascist status quo. Nothing is apolitical during a genocide.

    As someone on the internet writing to someone else on the internet, I ask you, if you genuinely care about Fascism, to really think about the words you're using. Are they really definitionally accurate? Or do they just feel accurate?

    However, if you are just being a troll, I thank you for the platform and the facile arguments.

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  • [–] -5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Yes you try to control the narrative by controlling how things are defined. It's all in your effort to rationalize your behaviour.

    But anyone not in your echo chamber can see you for what you are. You're in a hate group and nothing positive will come from what you're doing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Shit, imagine having access to the internet and the ability to use a search engine and then complaining like a little bitch when you are too lazy to find the definition of the words you use.

    I think people like that are fucking losers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    Here's an interesting article you might find helpful. The Conversation - What is Fascism? However, now I'm also pretty sure you don't actually care what the word means anyway...

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    I know what fascism means, but I'm pretty sure you don't.

    It's when a movement has no real ideology and is about gaining power through deception, manipulation, and intimidation. The emotional pressure points are usually about racism, paranoia, xenophobia, and nostalgia for past golden age (which likely never existed).

    You've gone for the classic paranoia over Jews thing, pretty on the nose if you ask me. You likely have some weird nostalgia over the Soviet Union, which likely never existed in your lifetime, and you've likely never even met anyone that lived in that country. But you likely have been made to believe it was a past golden age.

    You probably believe countries are somehow being manipulated by the Jews, that's the paranoia and xenophobia kicking in. You hate global order.

    You likely latch on to the words of demagogues like Hasan Piker.

    There's no real ideology in your movement. There's words about socialism spoken by millionaires that are promoted by billionaires. But deception and lies are a big part of fascism. You might support theocratic and fascist regimes elsewhere in the world, like Iran, or Hamas. You might even support Russia a fascist state.

    Even if you don't personally believe these things, a lot of people in your movement do. Your movement engages targeted harrassment and intimidation campaigns, so you know what will happen to you if you step out of line.

    Let me ask you this, if your movement tells you to vote Republican, would you do it? What if Tucker Carlson was running and promised to "stop the genocide"? Would you align with those people if the rest of your peer group went in that direction?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Bud, not sure where you're getting that I'm talking about "The Jews" here. Unequivocally, I'm talking about the Country of Israel as a political apparatus, its ongoing genocide in Palestine, and the resultant response and political fallout for celebrities like Macklemore. Let's not forget his saying literally just 'the two forbidden words' got him immediately deplatformed.

    What mythic past exactly is Macklemore yearning for? A time before Israel damaged or destroyed almost every building in Gaza?

    Why are you bringing up the Jews, the Republicans, Iran, the Soviet Union, and Russia all of a sudden? No one has said a word about that here that I can see.

    In my experience though, these are exactly the ol' faithful defensive lines Zionists throw out when anyone gets too close to changing your mind... Maybe, just maybe, you can see that what Israel is doing in Gaza is truly and utterly inexcusable.

    Maybe, just maybe, that's the only point anyone here is trying to make.

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