▲ 81 ▼ What's not so nice for people with autism in left wing politics is people being quick to think they're feds (lemmy.ml) submitted 1 week ago by distal@lemmy.ml to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net 59 comments fedilink hide all child comments give them a break
[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 week ago (5 children) 🤨 permalink fedilink source hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 week ago some of us tend to talk kinda weird, gives off undercover cop vibes occasionally permalink fedilink source parent [–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (3 children) Autistic people can be genuine and be asking questions in good faith, but it can come across as a fed or a liberal. We can get caught up in the technical def of a word to the point of talking in circles, even if the basic premise is agreed upon. It can cause a lot of miscommunication. It can make it look like we are intentionally starting shit. people won't use tone tags online, and it can be very hard to tell if someone is being serious or not which can cause more miscommunications. Difficulty dealing with morally grey areas. Probably could go on. Now of course, this doesn't mean every autistic person is some poor, misunderstood soul. Autistic people can be some of the most reactionary assholes around just as much as anyone else. The problem is figuring out who is who. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Chana@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children) I am sure there are unfair and ableist situations in meetings. At the same time, organizing meetings must be run somewhat efficiently and safely for everyone involved and it is not inherently ableist to keep things going or cut someone off if they are monopolizing time or trying to start a new topic. The latter is very common and not unique to people with autism by a long shot and one of he more important things to learn about running meetings. Another skill is resisting the urge to hash something out in the whole group and instead putting energy into organizing outside of main meetings. For example, being in leadership of an education committee is far more powerful - and provides opportunitied to really hash things out - than personally raising issues in main meetings on the context. If this organizing-within-an-organization approach is working, and it tends to more often than introducing questions in a big meeting, then the other folks in the committee or who listen to the Ed sessions will actually do the advocacy for you and make it something that needs little discussion since folks are already aligned. I am mentioning all of this not to be lecturing or saying you are doing anything wrong, but instead because I think it is generally useful advice and because I certainly have to personally resist the urge to correct or clarify during meetings lol. But just to be clear I am talking about organizing spaces with an agenda, not just casual conversation. When you mentioned, "get caught up in the technical def of a word to the point of talking in circles, even if the basic premise is agreed upon" it made me think of meetings getting derailed but you may be thinking of something totally different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) oh no i was just talking in general. In meetings, we normally have to keep someone as point person cause autism, adhd, and sleep deprivation have a lot of overlap in the random topic department for the reasons that you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago Oh yeah well that makes sense and I think we should all be pretty forgiving in conversations aside from big transgressions re: oppressions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 28 points 1 week ago some of us tend to talk kinda weird, gives off undercover cop vibes occasionally permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago (3 children) Autistic people can be genuine and be asking questions in good faith, but it can come across as a fed or a liberal. We can get caught up in the technical def of a word to the point of talking in circles, even if the basic premise is agreed upon. It can cause a lot of miscommunication. It can make it look like we are intentionally starting shit. people won't use tone tags online, and it can be very hard to tell if someone is being serious or not which can cause more miscommunications. Difficulty dealing with morally grey areas. Probably could go on. Now of course, this doesn't mean every autistic person is some poor, misunderstood soul. Autistic people can be some of the most reactionary assholes around just as much as anyone else. The problem is figuring out who is who. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Chana@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children) I am sure there are unfair and ableist situations in meetings. At the same time, organizing meetings must be run somewhat efficiently and safely for everyone involved and it is not inherently ableist to keep things going or cut someone off if they are monopolizing time or trying to start a new topic. The latter is very common and not unique to people with autism by a long shot and one of he more important things to learn about running meetings. Another skill is resisting the urge to hash something out in the whole group and instead putting energy into organizing outside of main meetings. For example, being in leadership of an education committee is far more powerful - and provides opportunitied to really hash things out - than personally raising issues in main meetings on the context. If this organizing-within-an-organization approach is working, and it tends to more often than introducing questions in a big meeting, then the other folks in the committee or who listen to the Ed sessions will actually do the advocacy for you and make it something that needs little discussion since folks are already aligned. I am mentioning all of this not to be lecturing or saying you are doing anything wrong, but instead because I think it is generally useful advice and because I certainly have to personally resist the urge to correct or clarify during meetings lol. But just to be clear I am talking about organizing spaces with an agenda, not just casual conversation. When you mentioned, "get caught up in the technical def of a word to the point of talking in circles, even if the basic premise is agreed upon" it made me think of meetings getting derailed but you may be thinking of something totally different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) oh no i was just talking in general. In meetings, we normally have to keep someone as point person cause autism, adhd, and sleep deprivation have a lot of overlap in the random topic department for the reasons that you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago Oh yeah well that makes sense and I think we should all be pretty forgiving in conversations aside from big transgressions re: oppressions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chana@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (2 children) I am sure there are unfair and ableist situations in meetings. At the same time, organizing meetings must be run somewhat efficiently and safely for everyone involved and it is not inherently ableist to keep things going or cut someone off if they are monopolizing time or trying to start a new topic. The latter is very common and not unique to people with autism by a long shot and one of he more important things to learn about running meetings. Another skill is resisting the urge to hash something out in the whole group and instead putting energy into organizing outside of main meetings. For example, being in leadership of an education committee is far more powerful - and provides opportunitied to really hash things out - than personally raising issues in main meetings on the context. If this organizing-within-an-organization approach is working, and it tends to more often than introducing questions in a big meeting, then the other folks in the committee or who listen to the Ed sessions will actually do the advocacy for you and make it something that needs little discussion since folks are already aligned. I am mentioning all of this not to be lecturing or saying you are doing anything wrong, but instead because I think it is generally useful advice and because I certainly have to personally resist the urge to correct or clarify during meetings lol. But just to be clear I am talking about organizing spaces with an agenda, not just casual conversation. When you mentioned, "get caught up in the technical def of a word to the point of talking in circles, even if the basic premise is agreed upon" it made me think of meetings getting derailed but you may be thinking of something totally different. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) oh no i was just talking in general. In meetings, we normally have to keep someone as point person cause autism, adhd, and sleep deprivation have a lot of overlap in the random topic department for the reasons that you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago Oh yeah well that makes sense and I think we should all be pretty forgiving in conversations aside from big transgressions re: oppressions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Athena5898@hexbear.net 7 points 1 week ago (1 child) oh no i was just talking in general. In meetings, we normally have to keep someone as point person cause autism, adhd, and sleep deprivation have a lot of overlap in the random topic department for the reasons that you mentioned. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago Oh yeah well that makes sense and I think we should all be pretty forgiving in conversations aside from big transgressions re: oppressions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chana@hexbear.net 5 points 1 week ago Oh yeah well that makes sense and I think we should all be pretty forgiving in conversations aside from big transgressions re: oppressions. permalink fedilink source parent