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Letsencrypt is under US jurisdiction. Is there a free-er alternative? (sopuli.xyz)
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I know that I can simply make my own private certificate authority that only I and my family trust. But is there some public provider like letsencrypt that is in a free-er part of the world than the US?

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[–] [S] 27 points 1 week ago (18 children)

Letsencrypt can be directly forced to revoke certificates by the US. Organisations outside of the US are less vulnerable against that.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 week ago (15 children)

    And ICAAN can hand your domain over to US law enforcement regardless of the TLD and your register.

    Is that also part of your decision tree?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago

    @slazer2au @Sibbo The administration of domain names is not done by ICANN. ICANN is responsible for managing IP addresses, ports, AS numbers. There are local registries for the administration of domain names. My .de domains are administered by DENIC in Germany. .net and .com are administered by US companies. This domains eventually can be shutdown by US authorities.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 week ago

    Is this accurate? Like, I know what you're meaning, but I'm pretty sure it's not ICANN doing it, and more so your domain registrar handing it over to the US government.

    I think the most control that ICANN has over it is they could theoretically, if they wanted to, delete an entire top level domain. Since they do control the DNS root, but that is the most that they control from what I understand.

    I don't know if they have the ability to delete or transfer control over an individual domain on legal request. I think that's outside of what their actual system allows for.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    ICANN can (theoretically) not force anyone to deregister your domain. If your stack is all outside the US, and everyone collectively decided to disobey the US, the Internet's decentralization would be true.

    The hard part about building a decentralized network is finding out where to hide the centralization.

    For the Internet, the centralization is hidden in the IP block and DNS Zone delegation. After this is done, that region is decentralized. A/I's problem was that the registry for .org is a subsidiary of IANA. With EU servers, EU DNS and a EU domain, EU clients cannot be prevented from connecting solely from the outside. The US would need a collaborator.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago

    That is all well and good, but we have many instances of domains being pulled from people because of court ruling and your register is not going to defy a court ruling for your €17/year domain.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Maybe it should be! We need non-fascis-adjacent DNS roots.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    There are authorityless blockchain-backed name registration services. In general, it is important whether you can localize a resource. If you can easily find it, the name doesn't have to human-readable.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    The root (haha) of needing better DNSes is because the ones that are are tied to technofascists and their ilk: techbros, nazis, psycopaths. So using something with blockchain sounds quite missing the point.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 days ago

    You do understand that a P2P proof of work backed global store is just infrastructure? And as egalitarian as DNS servers? And it doesn't have the storage/compute footprint of a full bitcoin node.

    The space of human-readable names is quite small, so proof of work is needed to protect it from being flooded. An alternative is to have your servers have names to be or derived from their public keys, or dissolve content from its location. Which brings its own problems.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Aren't the .country domains managed by the countries?

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  • [–] -4 points 1 week ago

    @Sibbo Of course. Actually, there are 200 million active certificates issued by Letsencrypt. Revoking them, 200 million websites would be down. 200 million websites all over the world, including US. I don't think this is a realistic scenario.
    If you are worried about that, you should avoid any software developed in US. You should avoid any software which itself or its sources are hosted in US. Mastodon is available on Github, this is Microsoft. US authorities may force Github to shutdown or infiltrate the hosted sources with spyware.

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