Two jmen (I hold jman and master), two apprentices. Other jman besides myself has worked at a union shop in the past as a non-union employee and has stated he would vote for unionizing the shop im at.

Of the two apprentices, one who rides w me most says he would join if given the chance. The other one is open to union membership so a likely, but not a certain vote for it.

That being said, about a week ago, I reached out to my local UA, and got email back today. I have plans to meet up with someone Monday coming up, after work to discuss it.

So that being said I have some questions with me being a union member myself. I'm not officially a manager, my title is 'lead plumber' but I do a lot more than that. I schedule inspections, pull permits, give estimates for work, I supervise the new guy(s) when they need it, plan out the days work, read prints and make take-off lists for projects. I cannot hire/fire/promote/give raises/field complaints. maybe 75% of our repeat customer base just calls me directly to schedule appointments instead of the office. I have keys, credit cards and can write checks if nobody can find the owner. Am I considered a manager? Re-reading that I sure feel like I am. Managers can't be in a union can they? I have no idea what it makes me officially, but unofficially I feel like management or something similar.

Am I asking stupid questions? I suppose the person I will see Monday can tell me. Is it something I need to bring to their attention? Do I cancel because I'm a manager? I'm really sorry for the stupid questions.

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[–] 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

People would need to know what juristictiom you're under to answer questions about legality. In Australia managers can join unions without issue, although may need to recuse themselves from certain discussions due to contracts creating conflicts of interest.

edit: You should always be honest about potential conflicts of interest and what you would do to avoid them anyway.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Ah yeah sorry. Texas.

    I do meet the "assigns work/responsibly directs people" requirement set out by the NLRB I think, but I don't meet the hire/fire or address grievances portion.

    I intend to talk to this person about my position. I'm fairly sure it'll come up as a direct discussion point. I just want to make sure I don't come across as a rat or something like that, before I potentially waste their time or mine.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    You're likely fine. I do a lot of managing like you and I'm in the union. That being said, if I move up the chain any further I'll be out. Just talk to whoever you're working with at UA. You're not gonna come across as a rat because it's gonna be pretty obvious that you're stirring up a lot of potential trouble that would probably never exist if you just pretended unions didn't exist.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago

    Well I can't help you in specifics but I would always recommend just being clear about your position, goals, and concerns if you're uncertain.

    You can just say to people "I think I'm in a weird position and want to make sure this is all above board, here's what I am responsible for. Does any of that cause problems for you?". It's hard to misconstrue that as any sort of malfeasance

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