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If you like Griffith, I don't wanna be your friend (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 14 points 6 hours ago (13 children)

I don't understand why it's bad to enjoy evil characters. I don't want to just consume Disney forever. I wouldn't say I like Griffith as a person, but he is a very interesting character and crucial to the plot of Berserk. The title makes it sound like there is some alternative version of Berserk where Griffith doesn't exist and it's somehow better. Just because I like these characters doesn't mean I missed any point. I don't think that's the case for most people. These posts are r/iamverysmart material.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 hours ago (5 children)

    If you understand that Griffith is not someone anyone should want to emulate, I don't think this meme is about you anyway.

    This meme is about the insecure dudes who are hurt and angry and decide to channel that into some cringe edge-lord 'I want to hurt everyone else and feel nothing but that it is my destiny to be on top' phase.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (3 children)

    Is this becoming a big thing somewhere? I have somehow managed to avoid those communities apparently. Or is it tied to a certain age group I don't fall into?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    This is the part I'm stuck on too lol. People see a couple of trolls online and believe there is a whole community of Griffith worshipers

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  • [–] 5 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    I don't understand why it's bad to enjoy evil characters.

    Just because I like these characters doesn't mean I missed any point.

    It's not bad but it's a dangerous line to tread. You may get the nuance but far too many people don't. It's why so many people are enchanted by Tyler Durden and Patrick Bateman. These characters are meant to be vilified, not aspired to. That is why the cults of personality and admiring strongman authoritarians still persist because many people are easily impressed by raw display of power. Yanis Varoufakis mentioned we are all susceptible to it-- and by extension fascism-- in varying degrees and we'd be lying if we don't feel impressed. He's not saying we all secretly admire fascists but that all of us have a dark side and containing it is really the challenge.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I know it's just my personal experience but I see more people saying that people are enchanted by those characters than i've ever seen anyone actually admit to it. Maybe you have, I can't really argue that. I also disagree that it is a dangerous line to tread. Liking evil characters isn't anymore dangerous than liking violent video games like GTA

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  • [–] 2 points 3 hours ago

    I see more people saying that people are enchanted by those characters than i've ever seen anyone actually admit to it.

    I don't know about you but i see on social media defending and glazing toxic masculine figures such as Tyler Durden and Patrick Bateman. The profile of those admirers are typically lonely and insecure men, which another user has pointed out.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago

    Agreed. I love tons of evil characters precisely because they are more interesting or they make the world more interesting. So many have more interesting motivations, more interesting developments, and more interesting dialogue than the hero roles they counter.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 hours ago (2 children)

    There is a difference between enjoying an evil character, and what a lot of people do with these specific evil characters. The ones in this meme are often looked up to by a bunch of people. There are lots of people who believe they are the correct person in the story, or otherwise the one to be idolized.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child)

    I can't really counter your argument, I've just never heard of anyone who thinks Griffith, Johan or any of these characters are correct. I'm not saying they don't exist, but I doubt it's anywhere close to being a split position to having.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago

    Well, TBF, you have to get deeper into the weeb side of the black pill movement to understand how many weirdos out their side with grifith's philosophy/the godhead, or Johan from monster. However, you will absolutely see them frequently if you, for some reason, subject yourself to places that have black pillers in larger numbers, twitter, 4chan, facebook... You would probably have to been in conversation space about scifi to really see the people who unironically defend the military government of earth in starship troopers, however its pretty common when the subject comes up.

    However the Joker? you really have never seen people side with the Joker? I actually have a hard time believing you are social media savvy enough to be on Lemmy, and have not experienced the armies of losers that identify with the Joker as a hero. This is like police with punisher skulls level of common. The idolization of Tyler Durden as a working class hero is also quite common.

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