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[–] 6 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Landfills I guess? If the idea of just... disposing of something was never normalized, we might be more conscientious about what we make and what becomes of it when we don't need it any more.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Landfills actually seem to be endorsed by civil engineers to some degree (while also acknowledging that genuine Reuse, Recycle, or Combustion of products would be better)

    GRADY (Practical Engineering) has videos on this. Here is one

    I can't really remember what i learned from this video though - it might be entirely about the effort it takes to protect the surrounding soil from leeching (chemicals and plastic want to go into the soil and mess it up!). So the sole engineering benefit of landfill might be that it literally fills in places where soil was "mined" to be used as gardening and construction materials.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago*

    I've seen that one. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the engineering that goes into a modern landfill. If you're going to accumulate a bunch of refuse, a landfill is the way you deal with it.

    I just wish we never decided it was okay to just throw away the things we make. I nearly said "garbage", but that didn't really feel like an invention. Imagine if the idea of just "disposing" of something was as bizarre to everyone else as it is to an environmentalist. If you make something that doesn't bio-degrade, you have to figure out something to do with it when you're done because there's no such thing as "trash".

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    I think it's quite a bit more complicated than this. The concept of disposing of something always existed, but for most of human history that meant just leaving waste where it fell or at most tossing it at the edge of the village.

    It's only once larger settlements appeared that a need to concentrate waste in one location to avoid despoiling the entire area became necessary. This was greatly compounded with the invention of manufactured materials that don't biodegrade like glass and plastic. There was no other solution to this than to concentrate and bury waste so it didn't end up everywhere.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 hours ago

    That's what I'm getting at. Biodegradable refuse is one thing, maybe once civilization grows you can't just toss your apple core wherever. Central composting is fine.

    But it's exactly once non-biodegradable trash enters the picture that the problem arises. If, the first time someone just tossed out some artificial thing, people said "What are you doing? That's gonna stay there", maybe we would have taken more care in the things we produce and given more consideration to their lifespan.

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