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AI bot hacking/scraping Home Assistant (lemmy.world)
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I pay for the Nabu Casa subscription for remote access to Home Assistant. Mostly as a way to give them money for a great service, but it's convenient and felt pretty secure. It should be the only remote way into Home Assistant. About an hour ago I got a login attempt notice that an IP was trying to access API/config. The IP is in some bad IP databases. What I found interesting was that the log shows an AI bot. A Google Gemini bot specifically. Makes me worry that AI is going to make yet another aspect of life frustrating and unfun.

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[–] 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I've not looked into Nabu Casa much, is it an outbound VPN from our HA instances to their servers? If so, maybe the Nabu Casa admins need a blocklist?

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    That is exactly it, yes. And I am thinking about reaching out to them about it and their blocklist. But after thinking about it, anyone with $16 in hosting can start an AI hacking instance. It's just going to get worse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This kind of thing has been going on since long before "AI." Expect anything connected to the internet will have failed login requests. That's why there is a login system.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I agree this is an old thing, my firewall has blocklists and allowlists to prevent known bad IPs and allow only the countries I travel to.

    But if Nabu Casa is an outbound VPN, then my blocks won't work. I'd need them to block

    Either way it would make sense for HA to also use some crowdsourced blocklists as a 2nd level defense

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Not just that, companies are using "smart" devices as AI scraper botnets to utilize private, basically unbanable IPs. There are only very few companies who I might believe them not doing it (AllenAI and maybe Mistral - tell me if I'm proven wrong pls). But OpenAI, Anthropic, fucking Google and Meta, they all treat your network as their personal internet extension. It's reasonable to assume any "Smart" device with wifi access that isn't FOSS most likely being your enemy.

    Our family Nextcloud already got taken down by OpenAI swarming it… overloaded and crashed php-fpm within a minute. At least one client blasting all endpoints still advertised themselves as OpenAI crawler.

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