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Ikey Doherty vs Omarchy: Why He’s Building Barney Instead of Another Distro (itsfoss.com)
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Ikey Doherty, the creator of Solus and AerynOS, is back with Barney, a Rust tool that builds Linux distros from source. So that you can easily create your own Omarchy.

In a video posted on YouTube, the creator of Solus and AerynOS called the money behind DHH's distro absurd and promised to do it better with nothing. His answer is Barney, a Rust-based tool for building Linux distros from source.

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[–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

Yeah, but in that case what keeps me away is that an asshole broke their system.

As it stands, my argument is about bad people writing good code. That is definitely not the case here, so I am sorry if I robbed anyone's time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    no, you're making a salient argument. I don't want to dump a book length (/s) idea I've had brewing in my head about this, so we can have a little chat. I'll just throw the broadest strokes to you.

    1. What do you do with unethical scientific advances? Eg : Data on human limits on heat/cold/sleep deprivation obtained through torture? Can you use them in ethical projects after?
    2. How does a culture perpetuate? What are permanently completed projects? If an untrustworthy party is working on a project that for now seems fair, can you rely on it while its still being worked on and have faith that you can use that to go forward and build new things without getting stabbed in the back after?
    3. Curation. By choosing something curated by a "bad person ^TM^" you are not giving opportunities of propagation to a project maintained and created by a "good person ^TM^".
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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Tough questions.

    1. I can only think of extreme cases, so I'd be really grasping in the dark. My thoughts went towards euthanasia and other health and safety standards, but definitely weak legs on this side of the argument. Would you define the moon race as something positive? Because that seems to be based on the wrong things.
    2. Cultures aren't meant to last forever? Or from another end of it, they morph into each and borrow and steal. Maybe I'm skirting that first question. No permanently completed projects, because projects in use need to be maintained. I'd say it's probably a bad idea to start a project with knowing the other one can rob you of your time.
    3. We're all looking for good curators, but most of us don't know it. If we don't give attention to the 'bad ones', will the 'good ones' prosper? Doesn't the attention the bad one gets bring light to something that will inspire new good ones to act?

    That last part felt a bit unhinged. The heat might be getting to me. Thanks for the thoughts, I tried to leave out the nazi programmer aspect of it all in my reply. I can lean into it for some devil's advocacy, but I'm pretty sure that's not why we're here.

    There's definitely useless data, but information in itself is mostly harmless. Maybe it makes sense working together with someone bad until you have enoughgood people around to branch off and create a well-working, clean version of your product. I am totally in the dark here, the last time I did anything programming related was making a batch file in windows 20 years ago.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I am totally in the dark here, the last time I did anything programming related was making a batch file in windows 20 years ago.

    It's a good thing we're looking at this from a more "why this tool not other tool" aspect then.

    To de-abstractify the concepts a little:

    1. There are horrible data sources from things like unit 731 or the holocaust, and most of the time, scientists reject using them for various reasons, but the ethics of using that data is murky. A similar idea enters the picture here. Yeah, DHH et al aren't killing people, but what about when the Omarchy foundation starts being the top sponsor of White Pride Worldwide?
    2. basically, nothing is permanently done. It always needs maintenance and updates, because entropy exists. Washing Machines, Guitars, homes, clothes, software, etc. Human culture too. You may have a recording, but to keep the "culture" alive, it needs to be played by someone and listened to someone. The issue with fascist open source is that the people keeping the "culture" alive are fascists, so one is participating in their perpetuation of their works, regardless of if the tools themselves are fascist or not.
    3. We are, unwillingly, perpetuating in the public visibility of Omarchy by discussing it. If we install Omarchy and talk about how we're pleased with it, etc , we are helping others get visibility of Omarchy when we are behaving as OS curators. We are not perpetuating every other operating system that exists. The public awareness of a zillion others disappears, where we could be promoting it.

    To expand on the last point : Compared to human attention, human creations might as well be infinite. Curation is how we try to limit what we are exposed to, since we can't start from A and walk our way to Z for everything.

    I guess it wasn't that long.

    I look forward to your response, ephemeral associate. Stay safe and stay sane out there.

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