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[–] 22 points 3 days ago* (8 children)

we continue to drive cars with no fuel economy regulation that require a personal payday loan to fuel

I was looking at cars, part of what shocks me, is how bad current offerings are. 20 years ago, teenage alcoholicorn bought a used "premium budget" car for 4000 USD, came with the same 4L V8 they stuck in the luxury model, just without a turbo and a more sedate ecu map.

Today everything is either way more expensive or has a little 1.2L that gets squeezed for 200+ Hp, and somehow only gets like 6 better mpg.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 days ago (7 children)

    The used car market is so fucked. They’ve been pumping out subprime loans for so long that even clunkers are unaffordable. It’s unbelievable

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  • [–] 8 points 3 days ago (1 child)

    there was a prediction of a used car market "squeeze" over a decade ago. new cars are a shit deal and basically always have been, so the only people buying brand new cars are people who make shit financial decisions or are so loaded they don't have to care about depreciation. the used car market is a gradient ranging from people buying 3-5 year old cars after the big initial drop, when the value has stabilized and the car is still useful... to the people out there buying the ultra low price, salvage titles, clunkers, etc, and getting whatever use they can until it shits the bed. (waves at myself).

    the knowledge that EVs were eventually coming started a squeeze, where more people simply held onto the car they had, waiting for the promise of a new technology to deliver so they could adopt it next time they bought a car. nobody wants to be the last asshole to buy a combustion engine because that will be a truly shit deal, and the pool of people concerned about that only grows over time.

    so rather than trading up, more people started hanging on to their slightly older car, and the people who would have bought that hung onto theirs, and so on down the chain. but some cars do die, and those who had no choice but to buy up something to have a vehicle bought another combustion engine. so the demand for anything economical went up, making the very-used car market shoot up, and that pushed up on the whole gradient. car dependency pushed people to accept those high prices and shit-deal financial products (like 84 month loans) that helped put the keys in their hands.

    by blocking EVs from coming to market, the powers have accelerated the squeeze and unless the pressure is reduced, the subprime car loan market is likely to burst into flames at some point. probably next time interest rates go up, would be my guess.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 days ago (4 children)

    Used diesel trucks are insane. Even if youre buying from owner a good half ton/3/4 ton diesel truck goes for 18k+. And in talking late 90's early 2000's.

    And trust me you are going to want a used car. anything older than anything 2012 is malware spy device, and they all have shitty computers in then and start locking down parts of it you can actually repair. You'll start having to bring the car in so you can pay 2 grand for something that uses to be a 50 dollar fix and a trip to pick and pull.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago* (3 children)

    they all have shitty computers in then and start locking down parts of it you can actually repair.

    Thats still quite uncommon afaik, just Tesla, John Deer, and some supercars.

    Ducati will void your warrenty if they catch that you used the bike at a race track, and I know Kawa and Honda will void your warrenty if you have a flashed ECU and turn in a detonated engine.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (2 children)

    This is my retelling of what I surmized my mechanics friends telling of it, so what I'm saying isnt probably worth two shits, but he said independent shops are sort of getting locked out. You have to do subscriptions to use their software, their diagnostic tools, and you have to pay a fee to reprogram the computers when you add new parts, and many of those parts will keep giving error codes or not properly function unless its a OEM part.

    He said once cars start getting more advanced with "saftey" features they get harder to work on dramatically. When all the updates start needing to come from 4g Sim cards in the car and can only work with their servers. Everything that's new new just has to start going straight to the dealer.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 day ago (1 child)

    You have to do subscriptions to use their software, their diagnostic tools, and you have to pay a fee to reprogram the computers

    Damn. I knew in the 90s every manufacturer had its own diagnostic tool, I thought they had standardized. I guess it got shitfy again.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    I think software wise the diagnostic tools have to verify with the computer it's authentic or something like that, ot might still be the obd standard.

    And this is under the guise that someone could hack into your car and stalk you or disable parts of your car to kill you. My problem with that argument is that the car shouldnt be designed to do that in the first place. Cars want so badly to become a subscription service and make money off selling ads and data. And the worst part is there are soooo many less privacy protections in your car than with other consumer electronics. Its like the LG situation but waaaay worse.

    Cars are in the process of being not cars anymore and transforming into this weird thing you arent going to own, but its not going to be public transport because you as a individual still have to pay for majority of the funding in someway because everything has to be done through apps now.

    So imagine a world where you buy a Tesla full self driving car, and it costs more than your house. To subsidies that you rent out your car as a robo taxi to make money to help pay it off, which will take 10+ years. And on top of that elon musk takes a 30% cut and is incharge of all the rates you receive and that the rider has to pay. Meaning there will be dark patterns that manipulate you like door dash does to force drivers to work for less money. You can't work on the car only a special mechanic can and has to get sent to Tesla who is incharge of what they can charge you, and can revoke your access to the car and keep your money. It will just self reposes itself like fords patent

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