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"The Lindsay Clancy case will lead Americans to have a conversation about rehabilitative vs punitive justice and re-evaluate how material conditions and/or mental health extremities can-" (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 42 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

As someone who only knows about this via posts like this do you have a quick tl;dr?

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  • [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago* (12 children)

    lady killed her kids and jumped out of a window
    the killings are not in question as she admitted to it, the trial is about if she should be held criminally responsible as she claims she was suffering from post-partum psychosis at the time

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  • [–] 38 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Gotcha, I see. The jumping out of a window bit i hadn't heard about, and that this is about her mental health makes a lot more sense why chuds are mad. Thanks

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  • [–] [S] 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    She went to psychiatrists for extreme postpartum depression & stress and so was medicated on multiple antidepressants, but they never caught the warning signs for her psychosis. She experienced intense psychotic episodes (I think primarily from severe insomnia & postpartum mental issues) where she had delusions, hallucinated intrusive voices in her head, had dissociative out-of-body experiences, etc

    She pleaded she was in a dream-like state where a voice in her head commanded her to kill her children and herself to save them so that they can all be with God together; so she strangled her kids before cutting her own wrists and jumping out the window. Just today there was a hung jury & mistrial over her defense's insanity plea (which was to determine if she goes to a high-security psyc ward or to prison, neither of which are remotely humane in the US tbh)

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago

    Just today there was a hung jury & mistrial over her defense's insanity plea

    And if I understand right it was one holdout juror that refused to accept the insanity plea.

    Which ngl I feel like while it should absolutely take a unanimous jury to convict it should only take a simple majority to acquit.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    There’s some armchair forensics out there claiming that several elements of the timeline don’t add up, but I don’t think the defense is arguing that.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I’ve also seen people arguing that it wouldn’t have been possible for her to be in psychosis and for him not to be aware of it, trying to turn it on him for not intervening.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    HA yeah no. It's definitely possible to be oblivious or not really paying attention enough to someone else's mental state such that you don't notice acute psychosis.

    It can be especially tricky if they're someone for whom some outward symptoms are somewhat normal (eg. You might dismiss some signs as being a panic attack and then not think about it the next day) or if they're self medicating or otherwise effectively masking in some scenarios.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It's possible to mask psychosis, sometimes you're able to have a psychosis episode and not realize it until it's over.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago

    Absolutely, yeah. It's actually pretty easy to not notice someone is in acute mental distress.

    I think there's a perception that mental health crises like this are cartoonishly hypervisible, that everyone in psychosis is babbling incoherently, stumbling around, and screaming at voices in their head. Or that if someone's manic, they'll act like early Daffy Duck.

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  • [–] [S] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 child)

    Most people generally aren't aware of the warning signs, he probably just assumed she was acting weird solely from depression and stress

    My mom's boyfriend went through a temporary psychosis episode last winter, and for the first month or so we genuinely had no idea; we just assumed he was extra quiet/ solemn and sometimes a little grumpy. It wasn't until we pressed on some of his behaviors that it escalated to aggression and yelling at everyone, accusing us of poisoning him and messing with his vision, accusing my mom of being an undercover agent, the dog of having cameras in her eyes, then trying to run away with his passport, etc. All of these irrational things completely out of touch from his usual self seemed to come out of nowhere. (We called a crisis hotline and got him admitted to a psych ward, which I think ultimately saved his life before it was too late)

    ANYONE of any age can experience psychosis for the first time (particularly from extreme stress, trauma, social isolation, and/or sleep deprivation); and when you enter that state you often distrust everyone around you, and so you may hide what's on your mind. Or you may phase in and out of your psychosis, experience memory lapses of many prior mental delusions, and are trying your hardest to appear normal to others, especially if you feel obligated to remain stoic/ strong for others. And like every mental condition, there's no universal presentation of it

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Professionals aren’t likely to catch it without being told about it, because the client would have to be experiencing severe psychosis during a session to show it. Apparently the woman in this case never told any of her doctors about the psychosis. She should be hospitalized rather than imprisoned, but I don’t think it’s really on her doctors for missing the psychosis in this case.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    those people have never interacted with anyone going through a psychotic episode, and i hope they never do for the other person's sake

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago

    Another important thing to note besides what has been said is that this is on US national news with regular updates. We had another high profile case in Massachusetts a few years back (Karen Read) and all this true crime spectacle seems to boil down to misogyny. Chuds and libs rally behind the cops and institutions of punishment, missing the point. These should have never been spectacles, but they demonstrated the corruption of the MA state police and general social evil of suburbia respectively. Their reveling itself is a symptom. The true crime pods and boomers watching evening dose of events in 90s Russia on the news are all symptoms.

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