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[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 11 points 19 hours ago (2 children) Has to in Canada. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 30 points 18 hours ago* (2 children) Or what? What's the enforcement on that, especially if the sender isn't in Canada? If some anonymous spam farm in India sends you more spam after you unsubscribe, what exactly is Canada going to do about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children) Spam and malicious emails aren't the same as a newsletter from a genuine company. I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Genuine companies will follow the law in Canada and other developed countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bdave@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I live in Canada. Walmart.ca won't stop sending me emails no matter how many times I click unsubscribe. Never even signed up, just bought something from them once. I'm still glad there's a law about this, but companies are absolutely not following it reliably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 hour ago* That sounds like someone is using your email on purchases to refresh it. If they’re not complying, report them. That’s how the government knows there’s something to deal with. Maybe it’s Walmart.com and not ca that’s continuing? A large corporation shouldn’t be making a mistake like that, it’s costly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Genuine companies Yeah okay think about what he said and what you are saying. Canada cant enforce the law against the non genuine companies based offshore. When you click unsubscribe often you don't know if its a genuine company or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago I know, which is why i included I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Perhaps I could have written that more clearly. Despite not all spam and malicious emails being easy to spot, for me the opposite is very true: i can spot whether I subscribed to something or not. If I believe I didn't, it goes straight to spam. If it turns out i barely or ever read something I subscribed to, I rather unsubscribe then delete or move to spam each individual message every time I get one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -3 points 16 hours ago* (2 children) Spam and malicious emails aren't the same as a newsletter And weren't differentiated in the chain so far. You want to keep those goal posts in place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago* No, someone brought up spam incorrectly when the topic was only about subscribed first emails. Like going to bestbuy and buying something with your email. Spam is all automatically sorted and I don’t see anyways, You kinda have to subscribe to something to be able to unsubscribe from it dude…. permalink fedilink source parent [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago How am i moving a goal post? I'm making that differentiation because it wasn't made in the initial comment: Assuming unsubscribe works and isn't just confirming your email is valid. If you assume something, context matters. Later in the chain it is pointed out one context could be spammers: If some anonymous spam farm in India sends you more spam after you unsubscribe, what exactly is Canada going to do about it? Which is why I'm pointing out that is not the only possible context and you can make a differentiation. Nowhere am I saying unsubscribe buttons always work or are always to be trusted, nowhere am I saying this only applies to newsletters from genuine companies. You can only move goalposts once it is established where those posts are in the first place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago Why would you subscribe to one of those in the first place? Spam and subscribeable emails are totally different things and issues. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Is Canada gonna reach out through tcp/ip and arrest them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago* (2 children) Anything you could want to know is here. Governments can block tcp and ISPs if they refuse to comply. They can also use it against trade relations or other negotiations as well too. If you’re trying to make a joke instead of genuinely asking a question, well…. Okay. The USA literally uses copyright, DRM and other stuff as bargaining chips with other countries, why would you not think the same could happen elsewhere? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Hahahahaha. I manage a mail server and they are never going to be able to block all the compromised accounts these scumbags use. I geo blocked the whole world and all domains except for the main top level ones and I still get regular fake phishing attempts using all manner of otherwise legitimate servers and domains. It doesn't matter what any law says. These people don't care and they are not going to be stopped often. I get a huge number these days from aws and google. As much as I would love to I can't block them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago (1 child) It’s one thing for a billion dollar company to get the government to take someone down, and another thing entirely for an individual to get the government to take down a company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* That’s why you report them? When a trend is happening the government steps in. There’s examples on the pages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 30 points 18 hours ago* (2 children) Or what? What's the enforcement on that, especially if the sender isn't in Canada? If some anonymous spam farm in India sends you more spam after you unsubscribe, what exactly is Canada going to do about it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children) Spam and malicious emails aren't the same as a newsletter from a genuine company. I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Genuine companies will follow the law in Canada and other developed countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bdave@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I live in Canada. Walmart.ca won't stop sending me emails no matter how many times I click unsubscribe. Never even signed up, just bought something from them once. I'm still glad there's a law about this, but companies are absolutely not following it reliably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 hour ago* That sounds like someone is using your email on purchases to refresh it. If they’re not complying, report them. That’s how the government knows there’s something to deal with. Maybe it’s Walmart.com and not ca that’s continuing? A large corporation shouldn’t be making a mistake like that, it’s costly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Genuine companies Yeah okay think about what he said and what you are saying. Canada cant enforce the law against the non genuine companies based offshore. When you click unsubscribe often you don't know if its a genuine company or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago I know, which is why i included I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Perhaps I could have written that more clearly. Despite not all spam and malicious emails being easy to spot, for me the opposite is very true: i can spot whether I subscribed to something or not. If I believe I didn't, it goes straight to spam. If it turns out i barely or ever read something I subscribed to, I rather unsubscribe then delete or move to spam each individual message every time I get one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -3 points 16 hours ago* (2 children) Spam and malicious emails aren't the same as a newsletter And weren't differentiated in the chain so far. You want to keep those goal posts in place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago* No, someone brought up spam incorrectly when the topic was only about subscribed first emails. Like going to bestbuy and buying something with your email. Spam is all automatically sorted and I don’t see anyways, You kinda have to subscribe to something to be able to unsubscribe from it dude…. permalink fedilink source parent [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago How am i moving a goal post? I'm making that differentiation because it wasn't made in the initial comment: Assuming unsubscribe works and isn't just confirming your email is valid. If you assume something, context matters. Later in the chain it is pointed out one context could be spammers: If some anonymous spam farm in India sends you more spam after you unsubscribe, what exactly is Canada going to do about it? Which is why I'm pointing out that is not the only possible context and you can make a differentiation. Nowhere am I saying unsubscribe buttons always work or are always to be trusted, nowhere am I saying this only applies to newsletters from genuine companies. You can only move goalposts once it is established where those posts are in the first place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago Why would you subscribe to one of those in the first place? Spam and subscribeable emails are totally different things and issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (3 children) Spam and malicious emails aren't the same as a newsletter from a genuine company. I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Genuine companies will follow the law in Canada and other developed countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bdave@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I live in Canada. Walmart.ca won't stop sending me emails no matter how many times I click unsubscribe. Never even signed up, just bought something from them once. I'm still glad there's a law about this, but companies are absolutely not following it reliably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 hour ago* That sounds like someone is using your email on purchases to refresh it. If they’re not complying, report them. That’s how the government knows there’s something to deal with. Maybe it’s Walmart.com and not ca that’s continuing? A large corporation shouldn’t be making a mistake like that, it’s costly. permalink fedilink source parent [–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Genuine companies Yeah okay think about what he said and what you are saying. Canada cant enforce the law against the non genuine companies based offshore. When you click unsubscribe often you don't know if its a genuine company or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago I know, which is why i included I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Perhaps I could have written that more clearly. Despite not all spam and malicious emails being easy to spot, for me the opposite is very true: i can spot whether I subscribed to something or not. If I believe I didn't, it goes straight to spam. If it turns out i barely or ever read something I subscribed to, I rather unsubscribe then delete or move to spam each individual message every time I get one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -3 points 16 hours ago* (2 children) Spam and malicious emails aren't the same as a newsletter And weren't differentiated in the chain so far. You want to keep those goal posts in place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago* No, someone brought up spam incorrectly when the topic was only about subscribed first emails. Like going to bestbuy and buying something with your email. Spam is all automatically sorted and I don’t see anyways, You kinda have to subscribe to something to be able to unsubscribe from it dude…. permalink fedilink source parent [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago How am i moving a goal post? I'm making that differentiation because it wasn't made in the initial comment: Assuming unsubscribe works and isn't just confirming your email is valid. If you assume something, context matters. Later in the chain it is pointed out one context could be spammers: If some anonymous spam farm in India sends you more spam after you unsubscribe, what exactly is Canada going to do about it? Which is why I'm pointing out that is not the only possible context and you can make a differentiation. Nowhere am I saying unsubscribe buttons always work or are always to be trusted, nowhere am I saying this only applies to newsletters from genuine companies. You can only move goalposts once it is established where those posts are in the first place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bdave@lemmy.zip 2 points 9 hours ago (1 child) I live in Canada. Walmart.ca won't stop sending me emails no matter how many times I click unsubscribe. Never even signed up, just bought something from them once. I'm still glad there's a law about this, but companies are absolutely not following it reliably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 hour ago* That sounds like someone is using your email on purchases to refresh it. If they’re not complying, report them. That’s how the government knows there’s something to deal with. Maybe it’s Walmart.com and not ca that’s continuing? A large corporation shouldn’t be making a mistake like that, it’s costly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 1 point 1 hour ago* That sounds like someone is using your email on purchases to refresh it. If they’re not complying, report them. That’s how the government knows there’s something to deal with. Maybe it’s Walmart.com and not ca that’s continuing? A large corporation shouldn’t be making a mistake like that, it’s costly. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago (1 child) Genuine companies Yeah okay think about what he said and what you are saying. Canada cant enforce the law against the non genuine companies based offshore. When you click unsubscribe often you don't know if its a genuine company or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago I know, which is why i included I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Perhaps I could have written that more clearly. Despite not all spam and malicious emails being easy to spot, for me the opposite is very true: i can spot whether I subscribed to something or not. If I believe I didn't, it goes straight to spam. If it turns out i barely or ever read something I subscribed to, I rather unsubscribe then delete or move to spam each individual message every time I get one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 8 points 17 hours ago I know, which is why i included I'd know if I subscribed to something, I'm not even opening spam let alone click a link in it. Perhaps I could have written that more clearly. Despite not all spam and malicious emails being easy to spot, for me the opposite is very true: i can spot whether I subscribed to something or not. If I believe I didn't, it goes straight to spam. If it turns out i barely or ever read something I subscribed to, I rather unsubscribe then delete or move to spam each individual message every time I get one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -3 points 16 hours ago* (2 children) Spam and malicious emails aren't the same as a newsletter And weren't differentiated in the chain so far. You want to keep those goal posts in place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago* No, someone brought up spam incorrectly when the topic was only about subscribed first emails. Like going to bestbuy and buying something with your email. Spam is all automatically sorted and I don’t see anyways, You kinda have to subscribe to something to be able to unsubscribe from it dude…. permalink fedilink source parent [–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago How am i moving a goal post? I'm making that differentiation because it wasn't made in the initial comment: Assuming unsubscribe works and isn't just confirming your email is valid. If you assume something, context matters. Later in the chain it is pointed out one context could be spammers: If some anonymous spam farm in India sends you more spam after you unsubscribe, what exactly is Canada going to do about it? Which is why I'm pointing out that is not the only possible context and you can make a differentiation. Nowhere am I saying unsubscribe buttons always work or are always to be trusted, nowhere am I saying this only applies to newsletters from genuine companies. You can only move goalposts once it is established where those posts are in the first place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago* No, someone brought up spam incorrectly when the topic was only about subscribed first emails. Like going to bestbuy and buying something with your email. Spam is all automatically sorted and I don’t see anyways, You kinda have to subscribe to something to be able to unsubscribe from it dude…. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huppakee@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago How am i moving a goal post? I'm making that differentiation because it wasn't made in the initial comment: Assuming unsubscribe works and isn't just confirming your email is valid. If you assume something, context matters. Later in the chain it is pointed out one context could be spammers: If some anonymous spam farm in India sends you more spam after you unsubscribe, what exactly is Canada going to do about it? Which is why I'm pointing out that is not the only possible context and you can make a differentiation. Nowhere am I saying unsubscribe buttons always work or are always to be trusted, nowhere am I saying this only applies to newsletters from genuine companies. You can only move goalposts once it is established where those posts are in the first place, bud. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 2 points 15 hours ago Why would you subscribe to one of those in the first place? Spam and subscribeable emails are totally different things and issues. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 child) Is Canada gonna reach out through tcp/ip and arrest them? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago* (2 children) Anything you could want to know is here. Governments can block tcp and ISPs if they refuse to comply. They can also use it against trade relations or other negotiations as well too. If you’re trying to make a joke instead of genuinely asking a question, well…. Okay. The USA literally uses copyright, DRM and other stuff as bargaining chips with other countries, why would you not think the same could happen elsewhere? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Hahahahaha. I manage a mail server and they are never going to be able to block all the compromised accounts these scumbags use. I geo blocked the whole world and all domains except for the main top level ones and I still get regular fake phishing attempts using all manner of otherwise legitimate servers and domains. It doesn't matter what any law says. These people don't care and they are not going to be stopped often. I get a huge number these days from aws and google. As much as I would love to I can't block them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago (1 child) It’s one thing for a billion dollar company to get the government to take someone down, and another thing entirely for an individual to get the government to take down a company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* That’s why you report them? When a trend is happening the government steps in. There’s examples on the pages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 9 points 15 hours ago* (2 children) Anything you could want to know is here. Governments can block tcp and ISPs if they refuse to comply. They can also use it against trade relations or other negotiations as well too. If you’re trying to make a joke instead of genuinely asking a question, well…. Okay. The USA literally uses copyright, DRM and other stuff as bargaining chips with other countries, why would you not think the same could happen elsewhere? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Hahahahaha. I manage a mail server and they are never going to be able to block all the compromised accounts these scumbags use. I geo blocked the whole world and all domains except for the main top level ones and I still get regular fake phishing attempts using all manner of otherwise legitimate servers and domains. It doesn't matter what any law says. These people don't care and they are not going to be stopped often. I get a huge number these days from aws and google. As much as I would love to I can't block them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago (1 child) It’s one thing for a billion dollar company to get the government to take someone down, and another thing entirely for an individual to get the government to take down a company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* That’s why you report them? When a trend is happening the government steps in. There’s examples on the pages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago Hahahahaha. I manage a mail server and they are never going to be able to block all the compromised accounts these scumbags use. I geo blocked the whole world and all domains except for the main top level ones and I still get regular fake phishing attempts using all manner of otherwise legitimate servers and domains. It doesn't matter what any law says. These people don't care and they are not going to be stopped often. I get a huge number these days from aws and google. As much as I would love to I can't block them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works 1 point 15 hours ago (1 child) It’s one thing for a billion dollar company to get the government to take someone down, and another thing entirely for an individual to get the government to take down a company. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* That’s why you report them? When a trend is happening the government steps in. There’s examples on the pages. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] plantfanatic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 15 hours ago* That’s why you report them? When a trend is happening the government steps in. There’s examples on the pages. permalink fedilink source parent