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socialism lesson (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 1 point 4 days ago (1 child)

Democratic socialists do not want to impose socialism on people through violent force.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    They also dont want socialism. They want reform just like centrists.

    Not one DSA candidate has called for the means of production to be in the hands of the workers.

    Not one has said we should get rid of capitalists.

    Not one has said we should get rid of for profit banks and insurance.

    They do talk about single payer healthcare but that is just a social program and not socialism.

    Its all reform unless we(the workers)seize the means of production and I havent heard one peep about that from the DSA.

    So, no, the DSA aren't socialists at all, they are at best reformists.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 days ago (3 children)

    Many members of DSA would like to see a significant proliferation of worker owned co-ops.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago

    Cooperatives aren't exactly socialist, though. This is a confusion of socialism that is ultimately reductive, removing firms from their place in society, both with respect to the broader economy and the state.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 days ago

    I just wish this was talked about more. I know AOC has mentioned co-ops before, but we're in need of proper legislation, and a legal framework, to support and recognize them. For the purpose of gaining access to capital (via bank loans) if nothing else. There are almost no drawbacks, and so many upsides. Aside from needing to learn how to actually work with other people, they're legitimately better in basically every way to traditional businesses.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 days ago

    I'm not even super into the DSA, but this is just incorrect. Plenty of folks in the DSA talk about genuine worker democracy. Look at the different tendencies within the DSA rather than the individual candidates. The DSA's rank and file is much further to the left than AOC and Mamdani, and IMO this is a good thing because that's how you build actual socialist mass movements, rather than Bernie Sanders 2.0

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  • [–] 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

    Oh, I see the issue. You're one of those tankies who equates authoritarianism with socialism.

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