▲ 1206 ▼ do not feed the trolls (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 days ago by anzo@programming.dev to c/memes@lemmy.world 231 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] grue@lemmy.world 73 points 6 days ago (7 children) Blocking doesn't stop them from propagandizing others. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 94 points 6 days ago (1 child) True but sometimes you have to pick your battles for your own mental health. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Azteh@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children) Very true, but be careful not to end up in an echo chamber permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SiegeRhino@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago (2 children) oh no my echo chamber of funny comics and cat pictures aaa oh nooooo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev [S] 6 points 5 days ago :3 you made me laugh. meow! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago Tons of drawn porn in mine. Bit of politics and most importantly almost no slop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (2 children) Echo Chambers are great. You just think they're horrible because you're in an echo chamber that says they're horrible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 5 days ago It sure would be nice to have the choice to opt-in to an echo chamber, instead of being told that I cannot opt-out of the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 5 days ago* (2 children) You wouldn't say that if you actually knew that most echo chambers are like the Incels, the neonazis or the pro-MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) The tankies too. Sometimes they remind me of a cult that tried to recruit me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 4 days ago Yeah, that's true permalink fedilink source parent [–] crank0271@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* Worst Battle of the Bands lineup ever permalink fedilink source parent [–] fisch@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children) But interacting with them will be interpreted as "engagement" and lead the algorithms to push them into more feeds and rank them higher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 12 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well not on lemmy I don't think they use algorathms to rank content and are open about how they rank comments and such. Not entirely sure though I am not a computer guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Sorting by ‘active’ takes into account the time of the last comment, and/or the number of comments. And it's the default sorting option in the default UI and apps that I've seen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago (1 child) The big problem is discerning when you're playing chess against a pigeon, and when you're acting like the pigeon yourself. "I would never" - a pigeon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huey_m@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago We all think we're not that guy. Especially that guy. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 14 points 5 days ago (1 child) Interacting with them won't either. There is no winning with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (2 children) The point is not to change the troll's opinion; the point is to discredit them in front of whoever else may be reading the thread. Also, the other action other than blocking them is reporting them and having a mod or admin remove them for everybody at once. Both of those are better options than individually blocking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the_fuckler@nord.pub 3 points 5 days ago Not gonna lie, I see people doing this theatrical shit in the 2020's and I instantly hate them for killing any good vibes that were happening. They no longer represent their politics to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 5 days ago Yeah. There are vulnerable people that might fall for their bullshit, so at least we must deny their nonsense so that fewer people fall for it. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anzo@programming.dev [S] 11 points 5 days ago oh, yeah! sometimes we need to use the report button too. permalink fedilink source parent [–] huey_m@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago (1 child) Not sure arguing with them really does either. I think this was true in simple chronological message boards, but anything that boosts content due to engagement is just going to make it worse... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) To be clear, I'm writing from a Lemmy/Reddit/Slashdot perspective. Maybe on Mastodon/Twitter (or, dog forbid, Facebook) it's different, but I wouldn't know because I've never used that shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huey_m@piefed.social 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Pretty sure reddit uses some algorithmic stuff to push threads, no? If you jump all over a bullshit political post, for example, doesn't that help push it into 'hot' or whatever? (Honestly asking, been off reddit for years at this point). Lemmy/piefed/etc might be less prone to it though, that's fair, though I've so far run into less outright propagandistic stuff here so far... might've just been lucky on that front. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago I was thinking more in terms of replying to the comments within threads, rather than the posts themselves. But yeah, I guess you've got a point that the number of comments under a post might influence its position in some types of feeds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago If they're propagandizing, there's not an argument you can make to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago If everyone blocks them then yes. I'm doing my part of the job. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 94 points 6 days ago (1 child) True but sometimes you have to pick your battles for your own mental health. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Azteh@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children) Very true, but be careful not to end up in an echo chamber permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SiegeRhino@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago (2 children) oh no my echo chamber of funny comics and cat pictures aaa oh nooooo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev [S] 6 points 5 days ago :3 you made me laugh. meow! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago Tons of drawn porn in mine. Bit of politics and most importantly almost no slop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (2 children) Echo Chambers are great. You just think they're horrible because you're in an echo chamber that says they're horrible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 5 days ago It sure would be nice to have the choice to opt-in to an echo chamber, instead of being told that I cannot opt-out of the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 5 days ago* (2 children) You wouldn't say that if you actually knew that most echo chambers are like the Incels, the neonazis or the pro-MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) The tankies too. Sometimes they remind me of a cult that tried to recruit me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 4 days ago Yeah, that's true permalink fedilink source parent [–] crank0271@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* Worst Battle of the Bands lineup ever permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Azteh@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago (2 children) Very true, but be careful not to end up in an echo chamber permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] SiegeRhino@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago (2 children) oh no my echo chamber of funny comics and cat pictures aaa oh nooooo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev [S] 6 points 5 days ago :3 you made me laugh. meow! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago Tons of drawn porn in mine. Bit of politics and most importantly almost no slop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (2 children) Echo Chambers are great. You just think they're horrible because you're in an echo chamber that says they're horrible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 5 days ago It sure would be nice to have the choice to opt-in to an echo chamber, instead of being told that I cannot opt-out of the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 5 days ago* (2 children) You wouldn't say that if you actually knew that most echo chambers are like the Incels, the neonazis or the pro-MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) The tankies too. Sometimes they remind me of a cult that tried to recruit me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 4 days ago Yeah, that's true permalink fedilink source parent [–] crank0271@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* Worst Battle of the Bands lineup ever permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SiegeRhino@lemmy.world 54 points 5 days ago (2 children) oh no my echo chamber of funny comics and cat pictures aaa oh nooooo permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] anzo@programming.dev [S] 6 points 5 days ago :3 you made me laugh. meow! permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago Tons of drawn porn in mine. Bit of politics and most importantly almost no slop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anzo@programming.dev [S] 6 points 5 days ago :3 you made me laugh. meow! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 5 days ago Tons of drawn porn in mine. Bit of politics and most importantly almost no slop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago (2 children) Echo Chambers are great. You just think they're horrible because you're in an echo chamber that says they're horrible. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 5 days ago It sure would be nice to have the choice to opt-in to an echo chamber, instead of being told that I cannot opt-out of the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 5 days ago* (2 children) You wouldn't say that if you actually knew that most echo chambers are like the Incels, the neonazis or the pro-MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) The tankies too. Sometimes they remind me of a cult that tried to recruit me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 4 days ago Yeah, that's true permalink fedilink source parent [–] crank0271@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* Worst Battle of the Bands lineup ever permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 6 points 5 days ago It sure would be nice to have the choice to opt-in to an echo chamber, instead of being told that I cannot opt-out of the opposite. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 4 points 5 days ago* (2 children) You wouldn't say that if you actually knew that most echo chambers are like the Incels, the neonazis or the pro-MAGA. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) The tankies too. Sometimes they remind me of a cult that tried to recruit me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 4 days ago Yeah, that's true permalink fedilink source parent [–] crank0271@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* Worst Battle of the Bands lineup ever permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website 2 points 4 days ago (1 child) The tankies too. Sometimes they remind me of a cult that tried to recruit me permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 4 days ago Yeah, that's true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 1 point 4 days ago Yeah, that's true permalink fedilink source parent
[–] crank0271@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* Worst Battle of the Bands lineup ever permalink fedilink source parent
[–] fisch@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children) But interacting with them will be interpreted as "engagement" and lead the algorithms to push them into more feeds and rank them higher. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 12 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well not on lemmy I don't think they use algorathms to rank content and are open about how they rank comments and such. Not entirely sure though I am not a computer guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Sorting by ‘active’ takes into account the time of the last comment, and/or the number of comments. And it's the default sorting option in the default UI and apps that I've seen. permalink fedilink source parent [–] whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago (1 child) The big problem is discerning when you're playing chess against a pigeon, and when you're acting like the pigeon yourself. "I would never" - a pigeon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huey_m@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago We all think we're not that guy. Especially that guy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bedwyr@piefed.ca 12 points 5 days ago (1 child) Well not on lemmy I don't think they use algorathms to rank content and are open about how they rank comments and such. Not entirely sure though I am not a computer guy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Sorting by ‘active’ takes into account the time of the last comment, and/or the number of comments. And it's the default sorting option in the default UI and apps that I've seen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) Sorting by ‘active’ takes into account the time of the last comment, and/or the number of comments. And it's the default sorting option in the default UI and apps that I've seen. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] whyderrito@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 days ago (1 child) The big problem is discerning when you're playing chess against a pigeon, and when you're acting like the pigeon yourself. "I would never" - a pigeon permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huey_m@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago We all think we're not that guy. Especially that guy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huey_m@piefed.social 3 points 5 days ago We all think we're not that guy. Especially that guy. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 14 points 5 days ago (1 child) Interacting with them won't either. There is no winning with them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (2 children) The point is not to change the troll's opinion; the point is to discredit them in front of whoever else may be reading the thread. Also, the other action other than blocking them is reporting them and having a mod or admin remove them for everybody at once. Both of those are better options than individually blocking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the_fuckler@nord.pub 3 points 5 days ago Not gonna lie, I see people doing this theatrical shit in the 2020's and I instantly hate them for killing any good vibes that were happening. They no longer represent their politics to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 5 days ago Yeah. There are vulnerable people that might fall for their bullshit, so at least we must deny their nonsense so that fewer people fall for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago* (2 children) The point is not to change the troll's opinion; the point is to discredit them in front of whoever else may be reading the thread. Also, the other action other than blocking them is reporting them and having a mod or admin remove them for everybody at once. Both of those are better options than individually blocking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] the_fuckler@nord.pub 3 points 5 days ago Not gonna lie, I see people doing this theatrical shit in the 2020's and I instantly hate them for killing any good vibes that were happening. They no longer represent their politics to me. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 5 days ago Yeah. There are vulnerable people that might fall for their bullshit, so at least we must deny their nonsense so that fewer people fall for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] the_fuckler@nord.pub 3 points 5 days ago Not gonna lie, I see people doing this theatrical shit in the 2020's and I instantly hate them for killing any good vibes that were happening. They no longer represent their politics to me. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kangae_Hishiryo@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 5 days ago Yeah. There are vulnerable people that might fall for their bullshit, so at least we must deny their nonsense so that fewer people fall for it. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anzo@programming.dev [S] 11 points 5 days ago oh, yeah! sometimes we need to use the report button too. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huey_m@piefed.social 5 points 5 days ago (1 child) Not sure arguing with them really does either. I think this was true in simple chronological message boards, but anything that boosts content due to engagement is just going to make it worse... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) To be clear, I'm writing from a Lemmy/Reddit/Slashdot perspective. Maybe on Mastodon/Twitter (or, dog forbid, Facebook) it's different, but I wouldn't know because I've never used that shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huey_m@piefed.social 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Pretty sure reddit uses some algorithmic stuff to push threads, no? If you jump all over a bullshit political post, for example, doesn't that help push it into 'hot' or whatever? (Honestly asking, been off reddit for years at this point). Lemmy/piefed/etc might be less prone to it though, that's fair, though I've so far run into less outright propagandistic stuff here so far... might've just been lucky on that front. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago I was thinking more in terms of replying to the comments within threads, rather than the posts themselves. But yeah, I guess you've got a point that the number of comments under a post might influence its position in some types of feeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 5 days ago (1 child) To be clear, I'm writing from a Lemmy/Reddit/Slashdot perspective. Maybe on Mastodon/Twitter (or, dog forbid, Facebook) it's different, but I wouldn't know because I've never used that shit. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] huey_m@piefed.social 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Pretty sure reddit uses some algorithmic stuff to push threads, no? If you jump all over a bullshit political post, for example, doesn't that help push it into 'hot' or whatever? (Honestly asking, been off reddit for years at this point). Lemmy/piefed/etc might be less prone to it though, that's fair, though I've so far run into less outright propagandistic stuff here so far... might've just been lucky on that front. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago I was thinking more in terms of replying to the comments within threads, rather than the posts themselves. But yeah, I guess you've got a point that the number of comments under a post might influence its position in some types of feeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] huey_m@piefed.social 1 point 4 days ago (1 child) Pretty sure reddit uses some algorithmic stuff to push threads, no? If you jump all over a bullshit political post, for example, doesn't that help push it into 'hot' or whatever? (Honestly asking, been off reddit for years at this point). Lemmy/piefed/etc might be less prone to it though, that's fair, though I've so far run into less outright propagandistic stuff here so far... might've just been lucky on that front. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago I was thinking more in terms of replying to the comments within threads, rather than the posts themselves. But yeah, I guess you've got a point that the number of comments under a post might influence its position in some types of feeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 4 days ago I was thinking more in terms of replying to the comments within threads, rather than the posts themselves. But yeah, I guess you've got a point that the number of comments under a post might influence its position in some types of feeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 days ago If they're propagandizing, there's not an argument you can make to stop them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago If everyone blocks them then yes. I'm doing my part of the job. permalink fedilink source parent