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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -4 points 12 hours ago (2 children) Excellent bait - but does it serve the vegan cause? Judging from the responses in the comments, probably not. It's a good post if you want to feel good about yourself though I guess? permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 12 hours ago (1 child) At least one person has been brave enough to read at least one argument as a result. Are you brave enough to watch how pigs are killed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) If you have sat with the dying and been with them at the moment of passing you will understand that there is no courage in watching death. To suggest so is an insult to those with cherished dead. Such tactics as these do not convince a person to embrace veganism; it seeks to shame them into being a part of it. Such tactics provoke ire over awe, and are ultimately self defeating; much as the provocative measures in the op. Do you have the courage to make your case to the unconverted without guilt as your only ally? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Yeah man you're so enlightened for staying ignorant of the moral cost of your recreational dietary choices. Why do chuds immediately start writing like they're penning some missive in the east India trading company the moment they're called out? Is it a genetic memory of chuddiness? There is courage in watching death you cause or ignore, and there is also courage in watching the death of those who you are the witness and advocate for, or you know being there for someone's last moments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (2 children) Ah, let's counter that. I write in an academic style because that is my profession - but I can understand this might be unusual to you. In your esteemed brilliance you've managed to conflate courage with a sense of justice, protectiveness, and compassion in a single paragraph. The courage of an action lies in the heart of the individual - not in the nature of the action. Your use of the word evokes only images of mindless zealotry - "be brave, do what I tell you". There isn't any more to be said here really; a consequence of your own actions. Such egregious arrogance has only harmed your cause - be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) wait are you a vegan trying to tell other vegans how to do better messaging or a carnist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) I'm someone slowly transitioning to vegetarian who doesn't like watching a good cause get mangled by utter arses. I don't aim to go entirely vegan as I don't believe all animal products are immoral (honey, real free range eggs (a friend of mine used to keep chickens, and their life was wonderful), snake shed (great for gardens) etc). I've opted for a slow and sustainable transition to where I draw my moral lines as I prefer certain success over dramatic gestures This is how I was persuaded to make my changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk The posts I see on c/vegan have made this harder to do rather than easier, as they often denigrate the morality of those who choose to eat meat, and add to my doubts of the real morality of the movement. There are many folks in my life who eat meat who I judge to be morally superior to the shills I find on here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago Yeah you were so close to behaving better but then someone ridiculed you so you just changed all your opinions about ethics. permalink fedilink source parent [–] inari@piefed.zip [S] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Yeah, maybe vegans should try less aggressive messaging permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago I'd opt for smarter messaging - you'll catch more flies with honey than gall. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 12 hours ago (1 child) At least one person has been brave enough to read at least one argument as a result. Are you brave enough to watch how pigs are killed? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) If you have sat with the dying and been with them at the moment of passing you will understand that there is no courage in watching death. To suggest so is an insult to those with cherished dead. Such tactics as these do not convince a person to embrace veganism; it seeks to shame them into being a part of it. Such tactics provoke ire over awe, and are ultimately self defeating; much as the provocative measures in the op. Do you have the courage to make your case to the unconverted without guilt as your only ally? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Yeah man you're so enlightened for staying ignorant of the moral cost of your recreational dietary choices. Why do chuds immediately start writing like they're penning some missive in the east India trading company the moment they're called out? Is it a genetic memory of chuddiness? There is courage in watching death you cause or ignore, and there is also courage in watching the death of those who you are the witness and advocate for, or you know being there for someone's last moments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (2 children) Ah, let's counter that. I write in an academic style because that is my profession - but I can understand this might be unusual to you. In your esteemed brilliance you've managed to conflate courage with a sense of justice, protectiveness, and compassion in a single paragraph. The courage of an action lies in the heart of the individual - not in the nature of the action. Your use of the word evokes only images of mindless zealotry - "be brave, do what I tell you". There isn't any more to be said here really; a consequence of your own actions. Such egregious arrogance has only harmed your cause - be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) wait are you a vegan trying to tell other vegans how to do better messaging or a carnist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) I'm someone slowly transitioning to vegetarian who doesn't like watching a good cause get mangled by utter arses. I don't aim to go entirely vegan as I don't believe all animal products are immoral (honey, real free range eggs (a friend of mine used to keep chickens, and their life was wonderful), snake shed (great for gardens) etc). I've opted for a slow and sustainable transition to where I draw my moral lines as I prefer certain success over dramatic gestures This is how I was persuaded to make my changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk The posts I see on c/vegan have made this harder to do rather than easier, as they often denigrate the morality of those who choose to eat meat, and add to my doubts of the real morality of the movement. There are many folks in my life who eat meat who I judge to be morally superior to the shills I find on here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago Yeah you were so close to behaving better but then someone ridiculed you so you just changed all your opinions about ethics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) If you have sat with the dying and been with them at the moment of passing you will understand that there is no courage in watching death. To suggest so is an insult to those with cherished dead. Such tactics as these do not convince a person to embrace veganism; it seeks to shame them into being a part of it. Such tactics provoke ire over awe, and are ultimately self defeating; much as the provocative measures in the op. Do you have the courage to make your case to the unconverted without guilt as your only ally? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Yeah man you're so enlightened for staying ignorant of the moral cost of your recreational dietary choices. Why do chuds immediately start writing like they're penning some missive in the east India trading company the moment they're called out? Is it a genetic memory of chuddiness? There is courage in watching death you cause or ignore, and there is also courage in watching the death of those who you are the witness and advocate for, or you know being there for someone's last moments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (2 children) Ah, let's counter that. I write in an academic style because that is my profession - but I can understand this might be unusual to you. In your esteemed brilliance you've managed to conflate courage with a sense of justice, protectiveness, and compassion in a single paragraph. The courage of an action lies in the heart of the individual - not in the nature of the action. Your use of the word evokes only images of mindless zealotry - "be brave, do what I tell you". There isn't any more to be said here really; a consequence of your own actions. Such egregious arrogance has only harmed your cause - be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) wait are you a vegan trying to tell other vegans how to do better messaging or a carnist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) I'm someone slowly transitioning to vegetarian who doesn't like watching a good cause get mangled by utter arses. I don't aim to go entirely vegan as I don't believe all animal products are immoral (honey, real free range eggs (a friend of mine used to keep chickens, and their life was wonderful), snake shed (great for gardens) etc). I've opted for a slow and sustainable transition to where I draw my moral lines as I prefer certain success over dramatic gestures This is how I was persuaded to make my changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk The posts I see on c/vegan have made this harder to do rather than easier, as they often denigrate the morality of those who choose to eat meat, and add to my doubts of the real morality of the movement. There are many folks in my life who eat meat who I judge to be morally superior to the shills I find on here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago Yeah you were so close to behaving better but then someone ridiculed you so you just changed all your opinions about ethics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Yeah man you're so enlightened for staying ignorant of the moral cost of your recreational dietary choices. Why do chuds immediately start writing like they're penning some missive in the east India trading company the moment they're called out? Is it a genetic memory of chuddiness? There is courage in watching death you cause or ignore, and there is also courage in watching the death of those who you are the witness and advocate for, or you know being there for someone's last moments. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (2 children) Ah, let's counter that. I write in an academic style because that is my profession - but I can understand this might be unusual to you. In your esteemed brilliance you've managed to conflate courage with a sense of justice, protectiveness, and compassion in a single paragraph. The courage of an action lies in the heart of the individual - not in the nature of the action. Your use of the word evokes only images of mindless zealotry - "be brave, do what I tell you". There isn't any more to be said here really; a consequence of your own actions. Such egregious arrogance has only harmed your cause - be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) wait are you a vegan trying to tell other vegans how to do better messaging or a carnist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) I'm someone slowly transitioning to vegetarian who doesn't like watching a good cause get mangled by utter arses. I don't aim to go entirely vegan as I don't believe all animal products are immoral (honey, real free range eggs (a friend of mine used to keep chickens, and their life was wonderful), snake shed (great for gardens) etc). I've opted for a slow and sustainable transition to where I draw my moral lines as I prefer certain success over dramatic gestures This is how I was persuaded to make my changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk The posts I see on c/vegan have made this harder to do rather than easier, as they often denigrate the morality of those who choose to eat meat, and add to my doubts of the real morality of the movement. There are many folks in my life who eat meat who I judge to be morally superior to the shills I find on here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago Yeah you were so close to behaving better but then someone ridiculed you so you just changed all your opinions about ethics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (2 children) Ah, let's counter that. I write in an academic style because that is my profession - but I can understand this might be unusual to you. In your esteemed brilliance you've managed to conflate courage with a sense of justice, protectiveness, and compassion in a single paragraph. The courage of an action lies in the heart of the individual - not in the nature of the action. Your use of the word evokes only images of mindless zealotry - "be brave, do what I tell you". There isn't any more to be said here really; a consequence of your own actions. Such egregious arrogance has only harmed your cause - be better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) wait are you a vegan trying to tell other vegans how to do better messaging or a carnist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) I'm someone slowly transitioning to vegetarian who doesn't like watching a good cause get mangled by utter arses. I don't aim to go entirely vegan as I don't believe all animal products are immoral (honey, real free range eggs (a friend of mine used to keep chickens, and their life was wonderful), snake shed (great for gardens) etc). I've opted for a slow and sustainable transition to where I draw my moral lines as I prefer certain success over dramatic gestures This is how I was persuaded to make my changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk The posts I see on c/vegan have made this harder to do rather than easier, as they often denigrate the morality of those who choose to eat meat, and add to my doubts of the real morality of the movement. There are many folks in my life who eat meat who I judge to be morally superior to the shills I find on here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent [–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago Yeah you were so close to behaving better but then someone ridiculed you so you just changed all your opinions about ethics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) wait are you a vegan trying to tell other vegans how to do better messaging or a carnist? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) I'm someone slowly transitioning to vegetarian who doesn't like watching a good cause get mangled by utter arses. I don't aim to go entirely vegan as I don't believe all animal products are immoral (honey, real free range eggs (a friend of mine used to keep chickens, and their life was wonderful), snake shed (great for gardens) etc). I've opted for a slow and sustainable transition to where I draw my moral lines as I prefer certain success over dramatic gestures This is how I was persuaded to make my changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk The posts I see on c/vegan have made this harder to do rather than easier, as they often denigrate the morality of those who choose to eat meat, and add to my doubts of the real morality of the movement. There are many folks in my life who eat meat who I judge to be morally superior to the shills I find on here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 1 point 4 hours ago (1 child) I'm someone slowly transitioning to vegetarian who doesn't like watching a good cause get mangled by utter arses. I don't aim to go entirely vegan as I don't believe all animal products are immoral (honey, real free range eggs (a friend of mine used to keep chickens, and their life was wonderful), snake shed (great for gardens) etc). I've opted for a slow and sustainable transition to where I draw my moral lines as I prefer certain success over dramatic gestures This is how I was persuaded to make my changes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sVfTPaxRwk The posts I see on c/vegan have made this harder to do rather than easier, as they often denigrate the morality of those who choose to eat meat, and add to my doubts of the real morality of the movement. There are many folks in my life who eat meat who I judge to be morally superior to the shills I find on here. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zeezee@slrpnk.net 1 point 3 hours ago you do you - but I wonder what does your friend do with the chicks from fertilised eggs? or do they not have a rooster? and if so where do they get their replacement chickens? and if so what do those breeders do with their male chicks? and again I'm of the opinion that its better 90% of people go mostly veggie than 10% go fully vegan (from a practical point of view) but I'm also of the opinion that being annoying about veganism isn't like a cardinal sin - people are annoying for much less important things and yh while I agree that there can be less moral vegans than carnists (eg if you're a vegan exploiting people) - I would still rate most vegans as more moral than most carnists - since in my experience most vegans do it because of empathy not because of brownie points - from the outside it may seem different but you also have to recognise just how carnist society is and how jaded vegans become when they are faced with the same arguments day in and day out - when their cause (that is the single most beneficial thing one can individually do for people, animals and planet) gets dismissed as "uppity" - and it's quite hard to not lose your cool when every time some mentions bacon the first thing that pops into your mind is the hellish sound of pigs screaming as they die an excruciating death for the sole benefit of hedonistic pleasure permalink fedilink source parent
[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 hours ago Yeah you were so close to behaving better but then someone ridiculed you so you just changed all your opinions about ethics. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] inari@piefed.zip [S] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 child) Yeah, maybe vegans should try less aggressive messaging permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago I'd opt for smarter messaging - you'll catch more flies with honey than gall. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago I'd opt for smarter messaging - you'll catch more flies with honey than gall. permalink fedilink source parent