Tone police, but only sometimes

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[–] 60 points 4 weeks ago (22 children)

Meanwhile “aggressive” vegan messaging just describes things for what they are, even downplaying them, because there is no way to describe the horrors in words

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  • [–] 36 points 4 weeks ago* (20 children)

    Vegan to leftist: Hey you know that pig that you're eating part of probably died screaming in a gas chamber? Are you ok with that?

    Leftist: omg stop being so aggressive don't you know there are reasons why I can't go vegan?

    Also that leftist: You have florp installed on your computer? Don't you know that one of the developers of florp made some posts on twitter saying they support Israel? Do you like fascism? What is your problem?

    Please make it make sense.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 weeks ago (13 children)

    Just today I saw a lengthy comment chain were one commenter argued first that is was too expensive to vegan, and after doing the math themselves (and thus showing that it was indeed cheaper), they moved the goalpost to argue that it was inconventient and never gonna happen on a large scale, because of calorie density.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Guess who is also arguing under this post? What a surprise...

    Sometimes I'm wondering why I'm even engaging in these discussions at all. By now it's probably just because I've reiterated the statements so often, that I just have the sources easily available, but I always know the outcome before I even post an answer. Such people aren't really interested in actually discussing veganism.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 weeks ago

    there are reasons why I can't go vegan

    The one which pisses me off the most are the people claiming their autism prevents them from maintaining a vegan diet because the mouthfeel is so triggering they'd rather starve.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    I’m curious about the gas chamber. I won’t deny that industrial meat production is cruel at best, the gas chamber makes little to no sense. It is far more expensive than the expediency of a bolt gun, and runs the risk of contamination (unless it’s nitrogen but the information I found in an admittedly cursory check says nitrogen suffocation is not used on animals.)

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  • [–] 30 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Wanna take a look? https://www.farmtransparency.org/videos/frbqvwrjoo

    I haven't watched that video, not sure how horrifying it is. That site has lots of videos of electrocution and captive bolt gun if you'd like to see how humane they are. Personally I would not euthanize myself using any of these techniques but maybe you would and thus maybe you will think they're humane.

    The answer as to why, is as all terrible things money. Throughput is high, CO2 stays where you put it and it's cheap, nobody cares if pigs spend their last moments drowning and panicking.

    Pigs have very thick skulls, they are powerful and rather noble creatures when not locked immobile in a pen and overfed (not much difference between domestic pigs and boars really, they grow large and hairy if you let them roam wild). Bolt guns and electrocution have an extremely high rate of failure on them.

    Edit: everyone always asks for proof, never looks at it, and downvotes it.

    Why ask, why be dishonest about whether you care?

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  • [–] 21 points 4 weeks ago*

    Vegan, speaking gently and matter-of-factly: “Using animal’s bodies for producing consumable goods involves rape, imprisonment, torture and murder. Leftists are anti-exploitation and anti-capitalist, and using living bodies for profit entails that.”

    Leftist, yelling in response: “StoP foRciNG yOUr beLiEfs On mE, vegan, veGaNisM iS a bouRgEOIs phIlOsopHy!”

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  • [–] 24 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Notable case of Goomba fallacy.

    altr

    There surely are fire breathing anti capitalist types who have some personal animosity against vegans but it seems likely these are not always the same people.

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    [–] 22 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (28 children)

    Im gonna go out on a limb and say that these two statements are not coming out of the same people, and that "the left" is being employed here as a uselessly broad umbrella term including both actual leftists and liberals, as usual

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    [–] 15 points 4 weeks ago (11 children)

    And I thought vegans are normally considered to be part of the woke left, at least by every outsider...

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  • [–] 17 points 4 weeks ago (10 children)

    Hence the paradox of veganism, according to the right it's a woke leftist thing. That is until you hang out with woke leftists and they are like 'yeah, no we don't support veganism'.

    If there is one thing lemme has taught me is that there are a lot of prominent leftist vegans, but leftists in general do not support veganism, but very often are openly anti-vegan.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 weeks ago (20 children)

    The famous achieving of utopia by doing nothing and crying on twitter strat

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    I find leftist political events very isolating since rejecting carnism. It's hard to take people talking about fairness and humanitarianism seriously when they still have the flesh of vulnerable individuals stuck between their teeth. The whole time I'm there, that's all I'm thinking. But you know it's not going to be received well if you say anything...

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