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geneva_convenience banned me from their comm (inventing_reality) after simply asking if they demand we hold all Jews accountable for Israel. (thelemmy.club)
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Jews are not systemically oppressed anymore but clearly certain reactionaries sure do want them to be.

Collective punishment is always wrong. You can't just make your whole ideology out of fuckinslammer memes or you turn into this person.

Parenti fucking rolling in his grave rn. You do not get to invoke a foundational modern marxist while doing the opposite of material analysis.

Would you apply the same logic to Christians? Arguably Christians have done far more harm. Or are you defining Jews as an ethnicity? How is that better? Is there something genetic or is it religious?

These may seem like silly semantic differences but they are actually important and the people that make either argument are wrong for the same reason: Collective punishment and collective guilt is always reactionary.

Ironically some of these same people would say I am doing Jewish exceptionalism but are they not doing the same thing claiming this is an exceptionally Jewish form of fascism.

I do not believe such distinctions are productive but rather only serve to excuse one's own participation in similar relations. By invoking some sort of Jewish exceptionalism you are only absolving yourself of guilt and complicity. By definition when you claim there is some sort of Jewish exceptionalism at play you are implying they are a special uniquely bad group apart from the international white supremacist project that enables and requires the existence of Israel.

You claim to be denouncing special treatment of Jewish persecution and overcorrect into actual Nazism. Or to be more accurate I guess Strasserism.

I no longer care if people want to call me a zionist for pointing this out. You are just embarassed white supremacists trying to offload your crimes onto Israel, there is nothing Israel has done that the rest of the west has not done tenfold, all are complicit and blaming it on Jews is just Nazi shit. I will fight to the death for the Palestinian people but I will not tolerate any single person implying collective guilt. This goes for everyone, white, black arab, persian, etc.

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why are westerners always clinging to this disgusting zionist narrative that jews are special little gems whose suffering and oppression is worth more than anyone elses? why do they always insist on portraying the anti-jewish portion of the nazi genocide as an evil in its own league, despite it not even constituting the majority of the hitlerites crimes?

how come that the suffering of jews is considered the crime of crimes, while everything else the fascists did gets either ignored, excused away or even celebrated?

i'm starting to suspect that many western "leftists" would have had no problem with hitler murdering domestic and foreign communists, as well as waging genocidal warfare on the peoples of the ussr. in fact, i've seen equivalent ideas getting celebrated more and more openly nowadays.

the slavic or romani victims, or the political prisoners who suffered the same or even worse abuses in the same camps by the same fascist parasites as the jews, do not get to be immortalised in western literature, film, music, or other arts.

despite the fact that racism against slavic peoples was (and is) at the very core of hitlerite ideology, many westerners never bother acknowledging it, instead celebrating the current death of hundreds of thousands of slavic people in a conflict caused by western capital. and despite the crimes that the nazis perpetrated against the romani population, anti-romani racism remains as common as life itself.

the role of communists resisting the hitlerite tyranny is also consistently played down, if not outright ignored, with some reactionaries even growing brazen enough to call them traitors. the goal is to portray communism as something foreign, from which "the nation" needs to be protected.

the average european zionazi apears to be taught from birth to never admit that slavs and communists, not jews, were the primary victims of nazism, both in numbers as well as chronologically.

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    the slavic or romani victims, or the political prisoners who suffered the same or even worse abuses in the same camps by the same fascist parasites as the jews, do not get to be immortalised in western literature, film, music, or other arts.

    Within Nazi ideology, Jews, Slavs, Romani, and so on are vectors of ideological disease, and their extermination is within the framework of exterminating a population that's a carrier of disease due to greater susceptibility. But the ideological disease itself is communism. If certain members of the carrier population demonstrate that they have not been infected (eg Banderites, Ustashe, various other fascist collaborators), Nazis are more than happy to accept them, albeit within a lower level, of their fascist order. But any blue eye blonde hair German communist has been infected and must be exterminated, Aryan ubermenschness be damned.

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