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[+] -19 points 22 hours ago (7 children)

I will never understand why these profoundly mediocre comics get so much support.

Garfield took bigger risks than she does.

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  • [–] 39 points 18 hours ago (1 child)

    I don't like Garfield comics.

    What I don't do, is comment on every Garfield comic that I see posted to whine that I don't like Garfield. I don't even feel a hint of desire to do that.

    This is why people who see all the anti-Pizzacake comments on every one of her comics know that it's not really about the comics. It's people who are angry at seeing popular comic lady who self-inserts in many of her comics again and need to share that anger. It's just kinda pathetic.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago*

    it’s people who are angry at seeing popular comic lady who self-inserts in many of her comics again and need to share that anger.

    It's solely this because it's self-aggrandising and there's no wit. She props up a weekly strawman who is attacking solely her on a position we're all against in the most banal manner possible and so to defend the position we have to defend her.

    It'd be easy to ignore if the upvote brigade weren't so persistent, but they are and it raises worrying eyebrows.

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  • I'll take a stab at explaining myself. I like them OK. I've never followed her or been inclined to reshare her work on social media, but I would describe crossing her work as "generally enjoyable". I think a lot of her work, like the example here, is more of a slice-of-life anecdote about an experience she had, rendered in the medium of the comic strip. It doesn't strike me as a joke, more like "Hey world, here's a thing that happened and my brief reaction to it". And I like it because I recognize the pattern and I feel sympathy for her. Nazis... overreact to things. Being extreme is kinda their signature move, and they seem to feel an obligation to be as unpleasant as possible to anyone being critical of them.

    But, they almost always find other excuses to be shitty than "You criticize nazis and it hurts my feelings / makes me feel threatened, because I'm a nazi". They find the easiest excuse they can to bother you with, except the actual reason they're interacting in the first place. If they are harassing a woman, they have a standard variety pack of insults they can pull from. You're a whore, you're ugly, you're shrill or some variant thereof, you're pretending to be a lesbian because no man wants you, etc. I think the strategy is quantity over quality because nazi hatespam is remarkably consistent both in its volume and its unoriginality. It really does happen, and it is hurtful in a kind of "I can't believe humans waste their short lives being this uncreatively shitty" sorta way as well as just being generally mentally taxing, and it's nice to be able to commiserate over it. It's not exactly "ha ha" funny, but it is relatable in a way I appreciate in art.

    This one is structured rather like joke, in that the last panel could be interpreted as a punchline to the previous setup, but I didn't read it that way and I don't think the idea of reading it that way would have occurred to me if I weren't analyzing it now. I can see how the last panel could be interpreted as an unfunny joke if that is what was being looked for. That's my hypothesis about why this comic is being received poorly by some, but not all, of the people in this thread. Let me know if I'm right πŸ™‚ or wrong lol.

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  • [–] 15 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    Personally I think at the beginning thely were cute, funny, and at bare minimum I give bonus points to anyone starting out trying to do something rather than listen to di guses who think that there's a hard baseline for content.

    But I do think she became some sort of Reddit beast that got stuck in a flattery eddie off to the side of the R/ALL tributary and stopped getting meaningful criticism and it hurt a lot of her output and growth.

    And yet she still has more talent and entertainment value then a bunch of slackjawed comment troglydites with the most incredibly iroic sense of mediocre.

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  • [–] 7 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    Eh, she was there before the big reddit change over, and true she seemed like she could roll with the punches but that ended pretty fast. If you're at all curious to look it up, it seems some of the artists in r/comics are getting a little tired of her, and are hesitantly more vocal about it.

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  • [–] 9 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    I mean I'm not disagreeing. If anything I hate Reddit more for being a crushing echo chamber that takes people who might have a good thing going and turning them into steralized, nonfunctional content monsters.

    I do think it's a time will tell kind of thing. Even SrGrapho just sort of fell into a hole where he was doing OC nudes and has yet to make a decent meme format in a decade.

    Pizzacake could be better but I don't mind that she's taking on nazi's and right wing weirdos who can't help but lose their shit over titties and even the gentlest of criticisms. And refer to the first paragraph but there isn't a single reddit community I would take the word of at face value.

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  • [–] 5 points 20 hours ago

    I get it. I don't know if I necessarily agree with your take on her work though. I don't think she's taking on Nazis or the right.. These particular comics can be read simply as is, but also as anyone who dares criticize her. In that case, you're not just an asshole but an actual goose stepping, swastika waving Nazi. Even those who would agree with her, who are on her side politically.

    I really suspect this is all a strategy, and it probably shows some success, to drive traffic to her only fans and adult tier patreon who'll hate subscribe. I think that's how she's really making her money. The comics don't pay squat, as we all know.

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  • [–] -1 points 21 hours ago (3 children)
  • [–] 20 points 20 hours ago* (1 child)

    No, I hate Nazis and Fascists and I agree.

    I like the message, but the comic isn't funny. She's a talented artist, however. I give her that.

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  • [–] 9 points 16 hours ago (1 child)

    Not all comics need to be funny

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Yes but a webcomic that is meant to be funny like this one should actually be so.

    Whatever, humor is subjective anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Was it meant to be funny or meant to lampshade a problem?

    IMO it was meant to lampshade

    But again: not all comics are meant to be funny. Webcomics or otherwise. There's a MASSIVE swathe of genres in all forms of media and creators are free to dance all over the genres as they wish.

    "0/5 - Not funny. This is a COMIC therefore it is supposed to be comedic in nature." It's what you (and many others in this comment section) sound like right now.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 hours ago (1 child)

    To lampshade (or lampshading) as a verb means to intentionally call attention to an improbable, clichΓ©d, or absurd element in a story to neutralize audience disbelief.

    Most users on Reddit agree that the term comes from the metaphor of "hanging a lampshade" on somethingβ€”making an awkward or glaring object even more conspicuous rather than trying to hide it.

    TIL

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  • [–] 3 points 10 hours ago

    The term has existed for a long long time and the concept behind the term even longer

    If you wanna read more about the concept and see a nice list of examples in fiction over the years here's a link to the TVTropes page on lampshading. Be warned though, TVTropes is a rabbit hole of learning about media tropes that can be like getting trapped in the gravity well of a star. Great adventures can be had, but your sleep schedule is likely to fall victim to it.

    The birds will be chirping to the dawn and you'll be wondering why you're on a page about a show that you've never heard of learning the tropes it shares in common with works of fiction older than the country you live in.

    10/10 - bring a warm drink, a soft blanket, and some cozy socks. It's gonna be a wild ride.

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  • [–] 19 points 21 hours ago (1 child)

    Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a nazi.

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  • [–] 18 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    My wife is a nazi? I knew it!

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  • [–] 17 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

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  • [+] -23 points 20 hours ago (1 child)

    Found the conventionally ugly and entitled person? Congrats.

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    Read it again. It means everyone who disagrees with you or doesn't like your look isn't a Nazi, you can also be wrong and bad looking with probably equal or better probability. Especially if Lemmy is your barometer.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    Even if you weren't a Nazi, what on earth about this post makes you feel a need to comment on somebody's appearance.

    "You're presenting fascist behavior." "Yeah? Well you're ugly."

    Do you see how one of these things is like... Not an opinion? And the response to pointing out problematic behavior is just more problematic behavior?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    What makes you think I'm commenting on anyone's appearance?

    Some people get worked up about dumb things, and some people absolutely ARE Nazis. At the same time "everyone and everything I don't like is a Nazi" and "ugly people don't exist" are dumb positions to hold.

    My straight up position in all these comments is that, purely by statistics, someone calling you out for your looks (while being absolutely assholish behavior) is less likely to be a Nazi on the face of things than for you to not being a good looking fella or lady.

    I don't know the history of the comic and I can barely read the sub comic that one or the other is holding, but someone calling you ugly on only fans does not equate to naziism. Simultaneously, a person can be ugly and karma farm one topic (naziism here) without adding anything to the quality of general discourse. Some people are Nazis, some people are assholes, and some people are ugly bastards on OF that say "AI bad" and obviously anyone who is an asshole to me for any reason has a mom who's a clanker.

    I see your point very clearly. Do you see mine? Everyone is beautiful and everyone who is mean on the Internet is a Nazi are both false statements even when it is inconvenient to say so? OBVIOUSLY the point of this comic is Nazis are bad (I agree) and that they fire up for no reason (I have no experience to know if that's true), but as feel-good as that is, it is a vapid response to reality.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 hours ago (1 child)

    The person who is being called a Nazi, is not being called a Nazi because they said someone else was ugly. They're calling her ugly because she made a comic disparaging Nazi/fascist behavior and their response to said comic was to call her ugly. You have this backwards.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago

    I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's some weird projection happening here because there is no way whatsoever that has anything to do with unattractive entitled people. Words mean things, and you need to review what it is you're trying to cpmmunicate here.

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