▲ 893 ▼ California lawmakers unanimously pass Linux exemption from age-verification law — software distributed under the GPL, MIT, BSD, and Apache licenses are exempt (www.tomshardware.com) submitted 2 weeks ago by cm0002@lemy.lol to c/linux@programming.dev 103 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago (17 children) Surely systemd is going to roll back Dylan's change, right? permalink fedilink source hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] VonReposti@feddit.dk 59 points 2 weeks ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (14 children) Can you explain in detail, what exactly that change did? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (10 children) They added a voluntary field for date of birth. Very controversial. Not at all like the address field that had been there for years or realname. Those are completely uncontroversial somehow. Unfortunately it got added during all this uncertainty with all the user I'd government overreach. And people lost their everloving minds claiming it was some sinister forced Id check. It was not. But all the craze around it launched tens of already dead systemD forks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children) Worth mentioning that California's and Brazil's age verification laws were cited as a motivating factor in the pull request, the pull request author merger works for Microsoft and the author also did similar pull requests in other open source projects. Edit: it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the PR author. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago the pull request author works for Microsoft and he also did similar pull requests in a other open source projects. So he made several mistakes as part of a co-ordinated jumping the gun on boot throating, AND he's getting paid to make open source software worse? permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) The author does not work for Microsoft My bad, it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the author. nor he did add this field to “other open source projects” Yes he did. He did several PRs using/collecting that field: archlinux/archinstall. This one is for a required field at install, not an optional one. canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision another one in the same repo. yet another one in the same Canonical repo accountsservice People just love to hate anything systemd related Agree, and I actually like systemd, but I don't see the relantionship between that and my comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Probably doesn't help there's also the existing fault line of 'an init system shouldn't be doing x', systemd was always a magnet for partisanship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) There will always be people thinking X shouldn't do y. But you're not wrong. Plenty of people absolutely just look for any reason to attack permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago Well, yeah, because they added it because of the law. That's not speculation, they said that's why they did. I agree, if it was there before it wouldn't have been out of place, I totally get you, but they said that it's something they should add because it might be required by law in the future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago Not to mention death threats and whatnot permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 weeks ago I wonder if Linux had been included in the law, would it have criminalised lying in your profile demographics permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children) Certainly. They set the precedent that open source software should capitulate immediately to any authoritarian demand. EDIT : I guess people haven't read facing fascism : https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/revoluciana-facing-fascism-sabotage specifically https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/revoluciana-facing-fascism-sabotage#toc3 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] notSys@lemmy.cafe -4 points 2 weeks ago Fascism is when I can input fake birth date into my init system permalink fedilink source parent [+] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works -7 points 2 weeks ago What a shocker, such an optional date field indeed seems like a grave menace to all of the freedoms. You should make a merge request with an optional field for an user's income, so that we may hunt the billionares and exterminate that vvermin with such powerful optional fields. permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 weeks ago (14 children) Can you explain in detail, what exactly that change did? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (10 children) They added a voluntary field for date of birth. Very controversial. Not at all like the address field that had been there for years or realname. Those are completely uncontroversial somehow. Unfortunately it got added during all this uncertainty with all the user I'd government overreach. And people lost their everloving minds claiming it was some sinister forced Id check. It was not. But all the craze around it launched tens of already dead systemD forks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children) Worth mentioning that California's and Brazil's age verification laws were cited as a motivating factor in the pull request, the pull request author merger works for Microsoft and the author also did similar pull requests in other open source projects. Edit: it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the PR author. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago the pull request author works for Microsoft and he also did similar pull requests in a other open source projects. So he made several mistakes as part of a co-ordinated jumping the gun on boot throating, AND he's getting paid to make open source software worse? permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) The author does not work for Microsoft My bad, it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the author. nor he did add this field to “other open source projects” Yes he did. He did several PRs using/collecting that field: archlinux/archinstall. This one is for a required field at install, not an optional one. canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision another one in the same repo. yet another one in the same Canonical repo accountsservice People just love to hate anything systemd related Agree, and I actually like systemd, but I don't see the relantionship between that and my comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Probably doesn't help there's also the existing fault line of 'an init system shouldn't be doing x', systemd was always a magnet for partisanship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) There will always be people thinking X shouldn't do y. But you're not wrong. Plenty of people absolutely just look for any reason to attack permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago Well, yeah, because they added it because of the law. That's not speculation, they said that's why they did. I agree, if it was there before it wouldn't have been out of place, I totally get you, but they said that it's something they should add because it might be required by law in the future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago Not to mention death threats and whatnot permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 weeks ago I wonder if Linux had been included in the law, would it have criminalised lying in your profile demographics permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children) Certainly. They set the precedent that open source software should capitulate immediately to any authoritarian demand. EDIT : I guess people haven't read facing fascism : https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/revoluciana-facing-fascism-sabotage specifically https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/revoluciana-facing-fascism-sabotage#toc3 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] notSys@lemmy.cafe -4 points 2 weeks ago Fascism is when I can input fake birth date into my init system permalink fedilink source parent [+] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works -7 points 2 weeks ago What a shocker, such an optional date field indeed seems like a grave menace to all of the freedoms. You should make a merge request with an optional field for an user's income, so that we may hunt the billionares and exterminate that vvermin with such powerful optional fields. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (10 children) They added a voluntary field for date of birth. Very controversial. Not at all like the address field that had been there for years or realname. Those are completely uncontroversial somehow. Unfortunately it got added during all this uncertainty with all the user I'd government overreach. And people lost their everloving minds claiming it was some sinister forced Id check. It was not. But all the craze around it launched tens of already dead systemD forks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children) Worth mentioning that California's and Brazil's age verification laws were cited as a motivating factor in the pull request, the pull request author merger works for Microsoft and the author also did similar pull requests in other open source projects. Edit: it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the PR author. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago the pull request author works for Microsoft and he also did similar pull requests in a other open source projects. So he made several mistakes as part of a co-ordinated jumping the gun on boot throating, AND he's getting paid to make open source software worse? permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) The author does not work for Microsoft My bad, it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the author. nor he did add this field to “other open source projects” Yes he did. He did several PRs using/collecting that field: archlinux/archinstall. This one is for a required field at install, not an optional one. canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision another one in the same repo. yet another one in the same Canonical repo accountsservice People just love to hate anything systemd related Agree, and I actually like systemd, but I don't see the relantionship between that and my comment. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Probably doesn't help there's also the existing fault line of 'an init system shouldn't be doing x', systemd was always a magnet for partisanship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) There will always be people thinking X shouldn't do y. But you're not wrong. Plenty of people absolutely just look for any reason to attack permalink fedilink source parent [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago Well, yeah, because they added it because of the law. That's not speculation, they said that's why they did. I agree, if it was there before it wouldn't have been out of place, I totally get you, but they said that it's something they should add because it might be required by law in the future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago Not to mention death threats and whatnot permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 weeks ago I wonder if Linux had been included in the law, would it have criminalised lying in your profile demographics permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Danitos@reddthat.com 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children) Worth mentioning that California's and Brazil's age verification laws were cited as a motivating factor in the pull request, the pull request author merger works for Microsoft and the author also did similar pull requests in other open source projects. Edit: it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the PR author. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago the pull request author works for Microsoft and he also did similar pull requests in a other open source projects. So he made several mistakes as part of a co-ordinated jumping the gun on boot throating, AND he's getting paid to make open source software worse? permalink fedilink source parent [+] mabeledo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) The author does not work for Microsoft My bad, it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the author. nor he did add this field to “other open source projects” Yes he did. He did several PRs using/collecting that field: archlinux/archinstall. This one is for a required field at install, not an optional one. canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision another one in the same repo. yet another one in the same Canonical repo accountsservice People just love to hate anything systemd related Agree, and I actually like systemd, but I don't see the relantionship between that and my comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago the pull request author works for Microsoft and he also did similar pull requests in a other open source projects. So he made several mistakes as part of a co-ordinated jumping the gun on boot throating, AND he's getting paid to make open source software worse? permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mabeledo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Danitos@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) The author does not work for Microsoft My bad, it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the author. nor he did add this field to “other open source projects” Yes he did. He did several PRs using/collecting that field: archlinux/archinstall. This one is for a required field at install, not an optional one. canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision another one in the same repo. yet another one in the same Canonical repo accountsservice People just love to hate anything systemd related Agree, and I actually like systemd, but I don't see the relantionship between that and my comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Danitos@reddthat.com 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) The author does not work for Microsoft My bad, it was the PR merger that works for Microsoft, not the author. nor he did add this field to “other open source projects” Yes he did. He did several PRs using/collecting that field: archlinux/archinstall. This one is for a required field at install, not an optional one. canonical/ubuntu-desktop-provision another one in the same repo. yet another one in the same Canonical repo accountsservice People just love to hate anything systemd related Agree, and I actually like systemd, but I don't see the relantionship between that and my comment. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mobyduck648@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 child) Probably doesn't help there's also the existing fault line of 'an init system shouldn't be doing x', systemd was always a magnet for partisanship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) There will always be people thinking X shouldn't do y. But you're not wrong. Plenty of people absolutely just look for any reason to attack permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eldritch@piefed.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) There will always be people thinking X shouldn't do y. But you're not wrong. Plenty of people absolutely just look for any reason to attack permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 6 points 2 weeks ago Well, yeah, because they added it because of the law. That's not speculation, they said that's why they did. I agree, if it was there before it wouldn't have been out of place, I totally get you, but they said that it's something they should add because it might be required by law in the future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago Not to mention death threats and whatnot permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 point 2 weeks ago I wonder if Linux had been included in the law, would it have criminalised lying in your profile demographics permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mabeledo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children) Certainly. They set the precedent that open source software should capitulate immediately to any authoritarian demand. EDIT : I guess people haven't read facing fascism : https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/revoluciana-facing-fascism-sabotage specifically https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/revoluciana-facing-fascism-sabotage#toc3 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] notSys@lemmy.cafe -4 points 2 weeks ago Fascism is when I can input fake birth date into my init system permalink fedilink source parent [+] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works -7 points 2 weeks ago What a shocker, such an optional date field indeed seems like a grave menace to all of the freedoms. You should make a merge request with an optional field for an user's income, so that we may hunt the billionares and exterminate that vvermin with such powerful optional fields. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] notSys@lemmy.cafe -4 points 2 weeks ago Fascism is when I can input fake birth date into my init system permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works -7 points 2 weeks ago What a shocker, such an optional date field indeed seems like a grave menace to all of the freedoms. You should make a merge request with an optional field for an user's income, so that we may hunt the billionares and exterminate that vvermin with such powerful optional fields. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] mabeledo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 day ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent