▲ 68 ▼ The demands of the US as part of the now unsigned trade agreement. (thelemmy.club) submitted 6 days ago by stumu415@lemmy.zip to c/canadapolitics@lemmy.ca 25 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca 0 points 5 days ago (1 child) Is that an actual turn of phrase? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] zbyte64@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago (1 child) When you mistake an onion article (satire) for something real we say the person ate the onion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) It's only "eating the onion" if the claim was obviously intended as a joke. When a fictional claim is plausible, and plainly taken as sincere by most audiences... that's just lying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) It's lying only if that was the intent of said satirical publication to imply veracity —but what kind of fuc– oh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) I disagree with the premise. Bad satire can have the same effect as deliberate misinformation, and more people sharing it. Some of whom apparently think believability is a feature. 'Ooh, this one got me!' when the appropriate reaction is blunt criticism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) Culpability is not the issue, intent is. Lying by accident isn't lying. Someone failing to pick up on your widely recognized status as a satire rag and choosing instead to believe whatever the fuck they come across is also not lying —or said rag's fault. 🤷🏼♂️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago (1 child) Many sources of bad satire have no reputation, or have a reputation for missing a lot of easy swings. Failure to correct for that becomes knowingly pushing false claims that people will believe - possibly well within reason. Some of these motherfuckers do not understand what satire is. They just make shit up and assume everyone's gonna 'get the joke.' But if the joke just that they're making shit up, then it's alarmingly easy for made-up shit to be less stupid than real life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 7 points 5 days ago (1 child) When you mistake an onion article (satire) for something real we say the person ate the onion. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) It's only "eating the onion" if the claim was obviously intended as a joke. When a fictional claim is plausible, and plainly taken as sincere by most audiences... that's just lying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) It's lying only if that was the intent of said satirical publication to imply veracity —but what kind of fuc– oh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) I disagree with the premise. Bad satire can have the same effect as deliberate misinformation, and more people sharing it. Some of whom apparently think believability is a feature. 'Ooh, this one got me!' when the appropriate reaction is blunt criticism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) Culpability is not the issue, intent is. Lying by accident isn't lying. Someone failing to pick up on your widely recognized status as a satire rag and choosing instead to believe whatever the fuck they come across is also not lying —or said rag's fault. 🤷🏼♂️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago (1 child) Many sources of bad satire have no reputation, or have a reputation for missing a lot of easy swings. Failure to correct for that becomes knowingly pushing false claims that people will believe - possibly well within reason. Some of these motherfuckers do not understand what satire is. They just make shit up and assume everyone's gonna 'get the joke.' But if the joke just that they're making shit up, then it's alarmingly easy for made-up shit to be less stupid than real life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) It's only "eating the onion" if the claim was obviously intended as a joke. When a fictional claim is plausible, and plainly taken as sincere by most audiences... that's just lying. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) It's lying only if that was the intent of said satirical publication to imply veracity —but what kind of fuc– oh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) I disagree with the premise. Bad satire can have the same effect as deliberate misinformation, and more people sharing it. Some of whom apparently think believability is a feature. 'Ooh, this one got me!' when the appropriate reaction is blunt criticism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) Culpability is not the issue, intent is. Lying by accident isn't lying. Someone failing to pick up on your widely recognized status as a satire rag and choosing instead to believe whatever the fuck they come across is also not lying —or said rag's fault. 🤷🏼♂️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago (1 child) Many sources of bad satire have no reputation, or have a reputation for missing a lot of easy swings. Failure to correct for that becomes knowingly pushing false claims that people will believe - possibly well within reason. Some of these motherfuckers do not understand what satire is. They just make shit up and assume everyone's gonna 'get the joke.' But if the joke just that they're making shit up, then it's alarmingly easy for made-up shit to be less stupid than real life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago (1 child) It's lying only if that was the intent of said satirical publication to imply veracity —but what kind of fuc– oh. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) I disagree with the premise. Bad satire can have the same effect as deliberate misinformation, and more people sharing it. Some of whom apparently think believability is a feature. 'Ooh, this one got me!' when the appropriate reaction is blunt criticism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) Culpability is not the issue, intent is. Lying by accident isn't lying. Someone failing to pick up on your widely recognized status as a satire rag and choosing instead to believe whatever the fuck they come across is also not lying —or said rag's fault. 🤷🏼♂️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago (1 child) Many sources of bad satire have no reputation, or have a reputation for missing a lot of easy swings. Failure to correct for that becomes knowingly pushing false claims that people will believe - possibly well within reason. Some of these motherfuckers do not understand what satire is. They just make shit up and assume everyone's gonna 'get the joke.' But if the joke just that they're making shit up, then it's alarmingly easy for made-up shit to be less stupid than real life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago (1 child) I disagree with the premise. Bad satire can have the same effect as deliberate misinformation, and more people sharing it. Some of whom apparently think believability is a feature. 'Ooh, this one got me!' when the appropriate reaction is blunt criticism. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) Culpability is not the issue, intent is. Lying by accident isn't lying. Someone failing to pick up on your widely recognized status as a satire rag and choosing instead to believe whatever the fuck they come across is also not lying —or said rag's fault. 🤷🏼♂️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago (1 child) Many sources of bad satire have no reputation, or have a reputation for missing a lot of easy swings. Failure to correct for that becomes knowingly pushing false claims that people will believe - possibly well within reason. Some of these motherfuckers do not understand what satire is. They just make shit up and assume everyone's gonna 'get the joke.' But if the joke just that they're making shit up, then it's alarmingly easy for made-up shit to be less stupid than real life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 days ago* (1 child) Culpability is not the issue, intent is. Lying by accident isn't lying. Someone failing to pick up on your widely recognized status as a satire rag and choosing instead to believe whatever the fuck they come across is also not lying —or said rag's fault. 🤷🏼♂️ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago (1 child) Many sources of bad satire have no reputation, or have a reputation for missing a lot of easy swings. Failure to correct for that becomes knowingly pushing false claims that people will believe - possibly well within reason. Some of these motherfuckers do not understand what satire is. They just make shit up and assume everyone's gonna 'get the joke.' But if the joke just that they're making shit up, then it's alarmingly easy for made-up shit to be less stupid than real life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -2 points 5 days ago (1 child) Many sources of bad satire have no reputation, or have a reputation for missing a lot of easy swings. Failure to correct for that becomes knowingly pushing false claims that people will believe - possibly well within reason. Some of these motherfuckers do not understand what satire is. They just make shit up and assume everyone's gonna 'get the joke.' But if the joke just that they're making shit up, then it's alarmingly easy for made-up shit to be less stupid than real life. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wyldrstallyns@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 5 days ago* (1 child) I feel that you're missing some points here and skating very close to a number of logical fallacies, but I'm simply way too knackered rn to argue for its own sake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works -1 points 5 days ago We're not talking about The Onion, famed source of high-quality bullshit. We're talking about rando Twitter accounts and fly-by-night "comedy" blogs utterly whiffing it. If this widely-reported list of demands turns out to be simple bullshit, then the people who bought it weren't being silly and misinterpreting visible absurdity. They were misled by a sadly believable extension of the hellscape we inhabit. The Idiot has been openly talking about annexing Canada. Nothing on this list is out-there enough that anyone should be expected to go, oh I see, ha ha, what a funny. permalink fedilink source parent
