▲ 898 ▼ Philips shouldn't exist anymore. Torx plus is the champ (thelemmy.club) submitted 1 day ago* by HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/memes@sopuli.xyz 142 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 38 points 1 day ago (7 children) Use better screws, don't screw around. permalink fedilink source hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Anchorxiety@reddthat.com 42 points 1 day ago Quit screwing around! You all screw around too much! permalink fedilink source parent [–] arin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (4 children) better screws are torx permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 15 points 1 day ago (1 child) Material matters, if you use poorly made screws that's when the head gets blunted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (2 children) Philips screws are intentionally made to strip though. Even the best material can't fully offset bad design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 20 points 1 day ago Philips heads are designed to intentionally cam over and limit torque, if you’re using the correct screwdriver that is quite a lot of torque. They certainly have a usecase, but that isn’t anywhere near me. I only use torx. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago I read that was just an afterthought to explain away why they strip out so easily, instead of actually redesigning them permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) Torx often ends up being the worst of both worlds imo. It grabs too hard and you can easily overdrive it and strip the hole in some material. And you can also still easily strip the head if you don't get the bit seated all the way. I think the Robertson combo head is the best all around, since you have a Robertson bit for high torque applications and a Phillips bit for low torque and slightly off axis work. And then the "ecx" bit for "I'm going to friction weld this terminal screw shut" applications. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago Nah, Robertson. Torx is designed to destroy bits. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MoffKalast@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago (3 children) Better screws are hex. Torx belongs in the bin alongside slotted screws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children) What makes torx crap? Unlike hex, you can still screw them in if your screwdriver is at an angle, which can be really convenient if you're working at odd angles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) They make hex keys with ball ends to handle that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Yeah but with torx I don't need an extra bit to handle that, it's just a built in feature of the bit. It also doesn't answer why torx apparently sucks? "Hex can also do that if you have a special bit" doesn't make torx any worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Why would it be a separate bit? Most people I know just have a set of these permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 point 1 day ago My guess is this is a situation where someone can never find the right size screwdriver permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* Robertson head screws are the second most popular fastener people pay me money to remove for them after they screw it up. Torx is third. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago Unbrako and hex are great for bolts and machinescrews, on small headed woodscrews I’m a firm believer of the torx masterrace. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doom@discuss.online 1 point 1 day ago Agreed permalink fedilink source parent [–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Have you been to a lot of hardware stores with different grades of every of the 257 different types and sizes and thicknesses they carry? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago Years ago when working in a boat shop at a “yachting center” aka “dudes with 20’ sailboats they’ve spent more effort repairing than their marriage” and I had a full wall of hardware. An old school wooden hardware shelf. My favorite thing ever in my whole life was being Willy wonka with fasteners and my rolly ladder permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago I'll get the torx universal wood and stone ones, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago I was going to say "don't screw up". permalink fedilink source parent [–] xylol@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) Or the right size screwdriver and apply force down onto the screw as you turn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago Doesn't matter. It'll still slip and partly strip it. Maybe only 1/5, but people are not machines. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago Don't underestimate the efforts some people are willing to go to. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) Hex screws are pretty good, I've never had one strip out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago They do but you have to really work at it. I see them all the time as set screws on the fans in commercial ovens. Leave a set screw in an oven for years and that bastard will be so profoundly sized that you can round out even a hex screw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Anchorxiety@reddthat.com 42 points 1 day ago Quit screwing around! You all screw around too much! permalink fedilink source parent
[–] arin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (4 children) better screws are torx permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 15 points 1 day ago (1 child) Material matters, if you use poorly made screws that's when the head gets blunted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (2 children) Philips screws are intentionally made to strip though. Even the best material can't fully offset bad design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 20 points 1 day ago Philips heads are designed to intentionally cam over and limit torque, if you’re using the correct screwdriver that is quite a lot of torque. They certainly have a usecase, but that isn’t anywhere near me. I only use torx. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago I read that was just an afterthought to explain away why they strip out so easily, instead of actually redesigning them permalink fedilink source parent [–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) Torx often ends up being the worst of both worlds imo. It grabs too hard and you can easily overdrive it and strip the hole in some material. And you can also still easily strip the head if you don't get the bit seated all the way. I think the Robertson combo head is the best all around, since you have a Robertson bit for high torque applications and a Phillips bit for low torque and slightly off axis work. And then the "ecx" bit for "I'm going to friction weld this terminal screw shut" applications. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago Nah, Robertson. Torx is designed to destroy bits. permalink fedilink source parent [+] MoffKalast@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago (3 children) Better screws are hex. Torx belongs in the bin alongside slotted screws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children) What makes torx crap? Unlike hex, you can still screw them in if your screwdriver is at an angle, which can be really convenient if you're working at odd angles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) They make hex keys with ball ends to handle that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Yeah but with torx I don't need an extra bit to handle that, it's just a built in feature of the bit. It also doesn't answer why torx apparently sucks? "Hex can also do that if you have a special bit" doesn't make torx any worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Why would it be a separate bit? Most people I know just have a set of these permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 point 1 day ago My guess is this is a situation where someone can never find the right size screwdriver permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* Robertson head screws are the second most popular fastener people pay me money to remove for them after they screw it up. Torx is third. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago Unbrako and hex are great for bolts and machinescrews, on small headed woodscrews I’m a firm believer of the torx masterrace. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doom@discuss.online 1 point 1 day ago Agreed permalink fedilink source parent
[–] massive_bereavement@fedia.io 15 points 1 day ago (1 child) Material matters, if you use poorly made screws that's when the head gets blunted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (2 children) Philips screws are intentionally made to strip though. Even the best material can't fully offset bad design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 20 points 1 day ago Philips heads are designed to intentionally cam over and limit torque, if you’re using the correct screwdriver that is quite a lot of torque. They certainly have a usecase, but that isn’t anywhere near me. I only use torx. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago I read that was just an afterthought to explain away why they strip out so easily, instead of actually redesigning them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 day ago (2 children) Philips screws are intentionally made to strip though. Even the best material can't fully offset bad design. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 20 points 1 day ago Philips heads are designed to intentionally cam over and limit torque, if you’re using the correct screwdriver that is quite a lot of torque. They certainly have a usecase, but that isn’t anywhere near me. I only use torx. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago I read that was just an afterthought to explain away why they strip out so easily, instead of actually redesigning them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 20 points 1 day ago Philips heads are designed to intentionally cam over and limit torque, if you’re using the correct screwdriver that is quite a lot of torque. They certainly have a usecase, but that isn’t anywhere near me. I only use torx. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago I read that was just an afterthought to explain away why they strip out so easily, instead of actually redesigning them permalink fedilink source parent
[–] socsa@piefed.social 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) Torx often ends up being the worst of both worlds imo. It grabs too hard and you can easily overdrive it and strip the hole in some material. And you can also still easily strip the head if you don't get the bit seated all the way. I think the Robertson combo head is the best all around, since you have a Robertson bit for high torque applications and a Phillips bit for low torque and slightly off axis work. And then the "ecx" bit for "I'm going to friction weld this terminal screw shut" applications. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 day ago Nah, Robertson. Torx is designed to destroy bits. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] MoffKalast@lemmy.world -7 points 1 day ago (3 children) Better screws are hex. Torx belongs in the bin alongside slotted screws. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children) What makes torx crap? Unlike hex, you can still screw them in if your screwdriver is at an angle, which can be really convenient if you're working at odd angles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) They make hex keys with ball ends to handle that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Yeah but with torx I don't need an extra bit to handle that, it's just a built in feature of the bit. It also doesn't answer why torx apparently sucks? "Hex can also do that if you have a special bit" doesn't make torx any worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Why would it be a separate bit? Most people I know just have a set of these permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 point 1 day ago My guess is this is a situation where someone can never find the right size screwdriver permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* Robertson head screws are the second most popular fastener people pay me money to remove for them after they screw it up. Torx is third. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago Unbrako and hex are great for bolts and machinescrews, on small headed woodscrews I’m a firm believer of the torx masterrace. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Doom@discuss.online 1 point 1 day ago Agreed permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (2 children) What makes torx crap? Unlike hex, you can still screw them in if your screwdriver is at an angle, which can be really convenient if you're working at odd angles. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) They make hex keys with ball ends to handle that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Yeah but with torx I don't need an extra bit to handle that, it's just a built in feature of the bit. It also doesn't answer why torx apparently sucks? "Hex can also do that if you have a special bit" doesn't make torx any worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Why would it be a separate bit? Most people I know just have a set of these permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 point 1 day ago My guess is this is a situation where someone can never find the right size screwdriver permalink fedilink source parent [–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* Robertson head screws are the second most popular fastener people pay me money to remove for them after they screw it up. Torx is third. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) They make hex keys with ball ends to handle that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Yeah but with torx I don't need an extra bit to handle that, it's just a built in feature of the bit. It also doesn't answer why torx apparently sucks? "Hex can also do that if you have a special bit" doesn't make torx any worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Why would it be a separate bit? Most people I know just have a set of these permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 point 1 day ago My guess is this is a situation where someone can never find the right size screwdriver permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Yeah but with torx I don't need an extra bit to handle that, it's just a built in feature of the bit. It also doesn't answer why torx apparently sucks? "Hex can also do that if you have a special bit" doesn't make torx any worse. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Why would it be a separate bit? Most people I know just have a set of these permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 point 1 day ago My guess is this is a situation where someone can never find the right size screwdriver permalink fedilink source parent
[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Why would it be a separate bit? Most people I know just have a set of these permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 1 point 1 day ago Well that's great until you want more torque (with the long side of the handle) or you're working in a space where only the short side fits in where the screw is, or you want to attach said bit to a drill. It's pretty common for bit-sets to just have ordinary (straight) hex bits rather than the rounded ones. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 point 1 day ago My guess is this is a situation where someone can never find the right size screwdriver permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* Robertson head screws are the second most popular fastener people pay me money to remove for them after they screw it up. Torx is third. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Junkers_Klunker@feddit.dk 4 points 1 day ago Unbrako and hex are great for bolts and machinescrews, on small headed woodscrews I’m a firm believer of the torx masterrace. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (2 children) Have you been to a lot of hardware stores with different grades of every of the 257 different types and sizes and thicknesses they carry? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago Years ago when working in a boat shop at a “yachting center” aka “dudes with 20’ sailboats they’ve spent more effort repairing than their marriage” and I had a full wall of hardware. An old school wooden hardware shelf. My favorite thing ever in my whole life was being Willy wonka with fasteners and my rolly ladder permalink fedilink source parent [–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago I'll get the torx universal wood and stone ones, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 6 points 1 day ago Years ago when working in a boat shop at a “yachting center” aka “dudes with 20’ sailboats they’ve spent more effort repairing than their marriage” and I had a full wall of hardware. An old school wooden hardware shelf. My favorite thing ever in my whole life was being Willy wonka with fasteners and my rolly ladder permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 day ago I'll get the torx universal wood and stone ones, thanks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago I was going to say "don't screw up". permalink fedilink source parent
[–] xylol@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago (1 child) Or the right size screwdriver and apply force down onto the screw as you turn permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago Doesn't matter. It'll still slip and partly strip it. Maybe only 1/5, but people are not machines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago Doesn't matter. It'll still slip and partly strip it. Maybe only 1/5, but people are not machines. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago Don't underestimate the efforts some people are willing to go to. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) Hex screws are pretty good, I've never had one strip out permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago They do but you have to really work at it. I see them all the time as set screws on the fans in commercial ovens. Leave a set screw in an oven for years and that bastard will be so profoundly sized that you can round out even a hex screw. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago They do but you have to really work at it. I see them all the time as set screws on the fans in commercial ovens. Leave a set screw in an oven for years and that bastard will be so profoundly sized that you can round out even a hex screw. permalink fedilink source parent