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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by WhyEssEff@hexbear.net to c/chat@hexbear.net

what's the end goal here Zohran. 'Socialism' (actually social democracy) but with a roving gang of armed and organized fascists that we just ignore? are we just going to kick the issue of systemic racism down the road because it's "woke 1" to even talk about, until it becomes a powder keg again? this is the actual internal DSA white chauvinism contradiction that MSM are clawing to find but they won't use it as a real wedge because it'd increase the salience of Defund again

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[-] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Calling that "abolition" strikes me as a really poor way to communicate a good idea, especially in an environment where one of the main criticisms of AES states is "this is just a dictatorship with red aesthetics." You immediately have to explain to people that you don't mean abolish abolish, and it will feel like a bait-and-switch. I think a lot of self-described abolitionists would strongly disagree with defining abolition that way, too.

When people talk about abolishing the death penalty, they don't mean making executions fair and humane, they mean no more executions. Same for abolishing slavery: see all the leftist criticism of the 13th amendment's carve out for prisons. We should either mean it or say something more precise.

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 3 points 23 hours ago

take it up with people active in the movement.

"'feminism' poorly communicates equality" type analysis

[-] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 2 points 22 hours ago

You're telling me your idea of prison abolition involves building nicer prisons. You really don't see how that's going to confuse people?

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