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[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) No way a drunk 14 year old on a bike is worse than a drunk anyone in a car. 14 year olds should have more oversight from their parents though too. Better to learn from a parent or guardian than a frat bro or whatever. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Taldan@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* You're saying a different thing than they did. They said a drunk 14-year-old on a bike is in more danger than a 21-year-old in a car, which is correct Drunk pedestrians and cyclists statistically are in more danger than drivers, per mile, by a decent margin The problem is that doesn't account for externalities, namely the risk of injuring others. A pedestrian or cyclist is unlikely to seriously injure someone else, whereas a driver would Edit: This is in the US, other countries will have different resukts due to more pedestrian-friendly infrastructure permalink fedilink source parent [+] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Read what I wrote. More of a danger to themselves. Most people, even drunks, put on their seatbelts. That means if there's an accident, even at high speed, the driver is protected by restraints and airbags. A kid on a bike doesn't have that. If there's a collision between a bike and a car, which vehicle do you want to be in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I read what you wrote but was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just to be clear, you're saying that you'd prefer drunk drivers in cars versus bikes because you're more concerned about the drunk driver's safety than people they might run into/over? My speculation is that lowering the drinking age should result in fewer deaths overall for this very reason. I don't want drunk drivers to die either but if I had to choose I'd prefer the drunk drivers to die over the person that they hit. I also reject your premise that crashing into something with your bike is more dangerous than crashing into something with a car, seatbelt or not. Speed is a pretty big factor and while drunk biking is surely dangerous it's a lot less likely to crash at higher speeds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -5 points 3 weeks ago You are hilarious! Speed is a pretty big factor and while drunk biking is surely dangerous it’s a lot less likely to crash at higher speeds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Glytchrider@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I'm not as concerned about the safety of the drunk as I am about anyone else who may be near them while operating their chosen vehicle. With that in mind a bike is better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -6 points 3 weeks ago Apples and oranges. I specifically said that a drunken 14 year old is more at risk of hurting themselves than a drunk adult wearing a safety belt. I never said that drunk driving was 'safe' permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 1 point 2 weeks ago* You're saying a different thing than they did. They said a drunk 14-year-old on a bike is in more danger than a 21-year-old in a car, which is correct Drunk pedestrians and cyclists statistically are in more danger than drivers, per mile, by a decent margin The problem is that doesn't account for externalities, namely the risk of injuring others. A pedestrian or cyclist is unlikely to seriously injure someone else, whereas a driver would Edit: This is in the US, other countries will have different resukts due to more pedestrian-friendly infrastructure permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children) Read what I wrote. More of a danger to themselves. Most people, even drunks, put on their seatbelts. That means if there's an accident, even at high speed, the driver is protected by restraints and airbags. A kid on a bike doesn't have that. If there's a collision between a bike and a car, which vehicle do you want to be in? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I read what you wrote but was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just to be clear, you're saying that you'd prefer drunk drivers in cars versus bikes because you're more concerned about the drunk driver's safety than people they might run into/over? My speculation is that lowering the drinking age should result in fewer deaths overall for this very reason. I don't want drunk drivers to die either but if I had to choose I'd prefer the drunk drivers to die over the person that they hit. I also reject your premise that crashing into something with your bike is more dangerous than crashing into something with a car, seatbelt or not. Speed is a pretty big factor and while drunk biking is surely dangerous it's a lot less likely to crash at higher speeds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -5 points 3 weeks ago You are hilarious! Speed is a pretty big factor and while drunk biking is surely dangerous it’s a lot less likely to crash at higher speeds. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Glytchrider@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I'm not as concerned about the safety of the drunk as I am about anyone else who may be near them while operating their chosen vehicle. With that in mind a bike is better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -6 points 3 weeks ago Apples and oranges. I specifically said that a drunken 14 year old is more at risk of hurting themselves than a drunk adult wearing a safety belt. I never said that drunk driving was 'safe' permalink fedilink source parent
[–] catsarebadpeople@sh.itjust.works 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I read what you wrote but was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Just to be clear, you're saying that you'd prefer drunk drivers in cars versus bikes because you're more concerned about the drunk driver's safety than people they might run into/over? My speculation is that lowering the drinking age should result in fewer deaths overall for this very reason. I don't want drunk drivers to die either but if I had to choose I'd prefer the drunk drivers to die over the person that they hit. I also reject your premise that crashing into something with your bike is more dangerous than crashing into something with a car, seatbelt or not. Speed is a pretty big factor and while drunk biking is surely dangerous it's a lot less likely to crash at higher speeds. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -5 points 3 weeks ago You are hilarious! Speed is a pretty big factor and while drunk biking is surely dangerous it’s a lot less likely to crash at higher speeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -5 points 3 weeks ago You are hilarious! Speed is a pretty big factor and while drunk biking is surely dangerous it’s a lot less likely to crash at higher speeds. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Glytchrider@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 child) I'm not as concerned about the safety of the drunk as I am about anyone else who may be near them while operating their chosen vehicle. With that in mind a bike is better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -6 points 3 weeks ago Apples and oranges. I specifically said that a drunken 14 year old is more at risk of hurting themselves than a drunk adult wearing a safety belt. I never said that drunk driving was 'safe' permalink fedilink source parent
[+] DagwoodIII@piefed.social -6 points 3 weeks ago Apples and oranges. I specifically said that a drunken 14 year old is more at risk of hurting themselves than a drunk adult wearing a safety belt. I never said that drunk driving was 'safe' permalink fedilink source parent
