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are you loyal to your country?
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Every doctor treats people. Cuban doctors in particular treat people in Cuba, so they're serving an entire country's worth of people. I don't see the issue with this description.
If I commute 45 minutes to work I'm no longer caring for people locally, most patients seen by doctors are people they don't know or have heard about, all that many Cuban doctors know about most patients is that they're in Cuba and they're sick, so they get treatment.
I already explained the moral difference to me between a Cuban doctor choosing to move to Germany and make 5000€/month treating Germans, vs a Cuban doctor staying and Cuba and earning 500€/month treating Cubans (I'm making up the figures). I don't need hypotheticals about outpatient clinics, or rehab centres, or Netanyahu, I'm describing a specific existing situation and judging its morality, I don't see the need for imaginary alternative universes where the ICC works to explain how "doctor chooses to get a huge pay cut and treat people from their country" is, I believe, almost universally morally positive.
You're asking an inherently philisophical question and refusing to consider hypotheticals? That makes for shitty philosophy.
Also, my argument is about countries having borders, not very specifically about doctors in Cuba. You just gave me a very specific example and I responded with other examples.
Morality isn't intrinsically hypothetical, real people with real struggles exist now.
Obviously you're in a socialist community here, and everyone agrees that the endgoal is worker internationalism and the abolition of states and borders.
However, living in 2026, there are currently people subjected to the atrocities of the capitalist empires, who have fortunately managed to generate worker states which work for them and vice versa. You cannot possibly argue that in the current geopolitics, Cubans are better without a state than with it, and it's also hard to argue that Cuban patriotism is a force for good.