So, the idea of a product they made 25 years ago, not actually the reality of anything they’re doing today… That’s what informs your entire opinion of Apple now?

I get what you’re coming from, I just don’t find that a rational position to hold anymore.

I mean, I don’t disagree with you about those original iMacs, but even back then, they still made some pretty great other computers that were very popular, too. That was just a single product at the time. They also brought UNIX/BSD to the masses with Mac OS X while massively contributing to FOSS projects (and still do).

Again, I’m not denying that Apple has certainly done some terrible things and is a pretty shitty company with their proprietary, bullshit, etc., etc. etc. And I’m liking macOS less and less with each iteration, and my next computer very likely won’t be a Mac for the first time in probably 30 years.

I just find it weird that, between Windows and macOS, one is clearly far better than the other, but macOS gets far more hate here than windows seems to. So much so, that even discussing it is hardly tolerated. but you’ve kind of answered my question a little bit – it’s not macOS itself, it’s how much people hate Apple. But even still, isn’t Microsoft so much worse than Apple?

Maybe it’s for the same reason that red hat and SuSE are rarely spoken of around here: it’s some sort of some sort of same-side betrayal by Apple?