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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 31 points 2 months ago (26 children) will it have ss symbols too? permalink fedilink source hideshow 26 child comments replies: [–] warm@kbin.earth 31 points 2 months ago (13 children) Only occasionally and they will say 'sorry'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] Laricheard@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] victorz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 months ago (11 children) It was an honest mistake. Anybody who read the statement should be able to see that. 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (8 children) Honest mistake: "Yeah maybe in Germany that shit could give us trouble lets remove that, everyone else just send this shit" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (7 children) According to GOG, the German QA team recognized the problem before distribution and pointed it out. However, the feedback did not reach the colleagues responsible for the international versions of the newsletter in time. They were very open about their mistake and simply owned up to it. No bullshit. That's to be commended. And they promised to do better. Take that or leave it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) TIL Poland education system is so fucked that Poland QA team is dumb as fuck and know nothing about their own fucking history. This only make sense if the international team handling this is in USA which I expect the worse thing possible so it's make total sense that they could do this level of mistake of using no only one Nazi symbol but TWO together. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (5 children) They probably posted it from a PC. This only manifested on mobile devices for them, and they didn't check them before sending, is my understanding. Sometimes people make mistakes, dude, Jesus. Chill. They owned up to their mistake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) oh i missed something here.. they posted ss symbols on the app? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago They send an email marketing about some slavic game and put some nazi symbols in the header of the e-mail. The SS and the black sun one. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (9 children) Can someone give me context to this reply? I have no clue, but based on the up-downvotes involved, it sounds important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] florge@feddit.uk 20 points 2 months ago (8 children) https://www.theverge.com/games/945088/gog-apologizes-email-nazi-symbols-the-end-of-the-sun permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) As someone from Germany, this would freak the hell out of me. Looks like a mistake, not something intentionally crafted. Whatever the real reason is (companies rarely say the truth), I understand the issue now. Thanks for the link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (6 children) The real issue is that they saw the problem and fixed it for Germany only and not for anywhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 12 points 2 months ago You'd think Poles of all people would be aware of how it looks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The real issue is that they never stated that they are not nazi sympathizers after the whole thing. They issued a non-apology, said it caused “unfortunate associations”, “this is our history”, but never said they don’t associate with nazis, that nazism is bad, or that whoever is responsible for the fuckup will be held accountable permalink fedilink source parent [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) To be fair, when I saw those symbols I thought about lightning, not SS, especially given the spacing that would have never hinted at the SS symbol. Then, knowing the game, I thought it must have been some Slavic mythology reference. But I understand Germans, Zios and Americans are obsessed about such things. After all they keep learning from each other about cultural appropriation and erasure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) My first thought wasn't the SS, but the fact that they saw it and thought it might be a problem in Germany is another story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent [–] alfredon996@feddit.it [S] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child) Maybe some Celtic crosses and totenkopfs too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 months ago What do Celtic crosses have to do with anything? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] warm@kbin.earth 31 points 2 months ago (13 children) Only occasionally and they will say 'sorry'. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] Laricheard@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] victorz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 months ago (11 children) It was an honest mistake. Anybody who read the statement should be able to see that. 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (8 children) Honest mistake: "Yeah maybe in Germany that shit could give us trouble lets remove that, everyone else just send this shit" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (7 children) According to GOG, the German QA team recognized the problem before distribution and pointed it out. However, the feedback did not reach the colleagues responsible for the international versions of the newsletter in time. They were very open about their mistake and simply owned up to it. No bullshit. That's to be commended. And they promised to do better. Take that or leave it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) TIL Poland education system is so fucked that Poland QA team is dumb as fuck and know nothing about their own fucking history. This only make sense if the international team handling this is in USA which I expect the worse thing possible so it's make total sense that they could do this level of mistake of using no only one Nazi symbol but TWO together. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (5 children) They probably posted it from a PC. This only manifested on mobile devices for them, and they didn't check them before sending, is my understanding. Sometimes people make mistakes, dude, Jesus. Chill. They owned up to their mistake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) oh i missed something here.. they posted ss symbols on the app? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago They send an email marketing about some slavic game and put some nazi symbols in the header of the e-mail. The SS and the black sun one. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Laricheard@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] victorz@lemmy.world -7 points 2 months ago (11 children) It was an honest mistake. Anybody who read the statement should be able to see that. 👍 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (8 children) Honest mistake: "Yeah maybe in Germany that shit could give us trouble lets remove that, everyone else just send this shit" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (7 children) According to GOG, the German QA team recognized the problem before distribution and pointed it out. However, the feedback did not reach the colleagues responsible for the international versions of the newsletter in time. They were very open about their mistake and simply owned up to it. No bullshit. That's to be commended. And they promised to do better. Take that or leave it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) TIL Poland education system is so fucked that Poland QA team is dumb as fuck and know nothing about their own fucking history. This only make sense if the international team handling this is in USA which I expect the worse thing possible so it's make total sense that they could do this level of mistake of using no only one Nazi symbol but TWO together. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (5 children) They probably posted it from a PC. This only manifested on mobile devices for them, and they didn't check them before sending, is my understanding. Sometimes people make mistakes, dude, Jesus. Chill. They owned up to their mistake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent [–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) oh i missed something here.. they posted ss symbols on the app? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago They send an email marketing about some slavic game and put some nazi symbols in the header of the e-mail. The SS and the black sun one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 months ago (8 children) Honest mistake: "Yeah maybe in Germany that shit could give us trouble lets remove that, everyone else just send this shit" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (7 children) According to GOG, the German QA team recognized the problem before distribution and pointed it out. However, the feedback did not reach the colleagues responsible for the international versions of the newsletter in time. They were very open about their mistake and simply owned up to it. No bullshit. That's to be commended. And they promised to do better. Take that or leave it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) TIL Poland education system is so fucked that Poland QA team is dumb as fuck and know nothing about their own fucking history. This only make sense if the international team handling this is in USA which I expect the worse thing possible so it's make total sense that they could do this level of mistake of using no only one Nazi symbol but TWO together. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (5 children) They probably posted it from a PC. This only manifested on mobile devices for them, and they didn't check them before sending, is my understanding. Sometimes people make mistakes, dude, Jesus. Chill. They owned up to their mistake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (7 children) According to GOG, the German QA team recognized the problem before distribution and pointed it out. However, the feedback did not reach the colleagues responsible for the international versions of the newsletter in time. They were very open about their mistake and simply owned up to it. No bullshit. That's to be commended. And they promised to do better. Take that or leave it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) TIL Poland education system is so fucked that Poland QA team is dumb as fuck and know nothing about their own fucking history. This only make sense if the international team handling this is in USA which I expect the worse thing possible so it's make total sense that they could do this level of mistake of using no only one Nazi symbol but TWO together. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (5 children) They probably posted it from a PC. This only manifested on mobile devices for them, and they didn't check them before sending, is my understanding. Sometimes people make mistakes, dude, Jesus. Chill. They owned up to their mistake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (6 children) TIL Poland education system is so fucked that Poland QA team is dumb as fuck and know nothing about their own fucking history. This only make sense if the international team handling this is in USA which I expect the worse thing possible so it's make total sense that they could do this level of mistake of using no only one Nazi symbol but TWO together. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (5 children) They probably posted it from a PC. This only manifested on mobile devices for them, and they didn't check them before sending, is my understanding. Sometimes people make mistakes, dude, Jesus. Chill. They owned up to their mistake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (5 children) They probably posted it from a PC. This only manifested on mobile devices for them, and they didn't check them before sending, is my understanding. Sometimes people make mistakes, dude, Jesus. Chill. They owned up to their mistake. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago (4 children) Nah, they use the SS and two symbols that together look like the black sun. Even in their excuse that is not actually the SS but some pagan symbol why put two of them? + the sun ones. All their explanations sound like excuses. They messed up big time with either AI or someone who shouldn't be working with them and every QA was not paying attention. A simple "we fucked up big sorry" was better. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) The symbols used can be explained by reading this, by the developers of the game: https://www.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/1txmcyd/comment/opy1ya9/ It's a "kolovrat" and it looks like that. To me this is just an honest and naive mistake. That turned out very bad in the end, but nonetheless. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) Kolovrat is one thing, ss runes were unmistakable and the explanation “that’s our ancestry” made it worse since they’ve used greek symbols instead of the rune, and 2 of them together. Even developers said they had no explanation for that. That was a nazi dog whistle and gog didn’t even try to distance themselves from nazis, not even saying “nazi bad” after the whole thing. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] victorz@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago* Everyone involved has said it was a serious and honest mistake, and they will try to do better in the future. I personally don't need more than that. I don't believe they have anything to gain from sending Nazi political messages in their newsletters. Nobody with any sense could believe there's any gain in that for a game company. For me, this is water under the bridge. Not a nothing burger of course, it was a serious mistake, as stated. But it's over now. Forgiven but not forgotten. Let's move on. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 months ago Oh I think that is very likely but it's odd that this is not what GOG said but the game dev. They don't want to be associated with using AI? They think this sound like an excuse? To me the other explanations sound more like an excuse than this. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PoY@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) oh i missed something here.. they posted ss symbols on the app? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago They send an email marketing about some slavic game and put some nazi symbols in the header of the e-mail. The SS and the black sun one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago They send an email marketing about some slavic game and put some nazi symbols in the header of the e-mail. The SS and the black sun one. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (9 children) Can someone give me context to this reply? I have no clue, but based on the up-downvotes involved, it sounds important. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] florge@feddit.uk 20 points 2 months ago (8 children) https://www.theverge.com/games/945088/gog-apologizes-email-nazi-symbols-the-end-of-the-sun permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) As someone from Germany, this would freak the hell out of me. Looks like a mistake, not something intentionally crafted. Whatever the real reason is (companies rarely say the truth), I understand the issue now. Thanks for the link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (6 children) The real issue is that they saw the problem and fixed it for Germany only and not for anywhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 12 points 2 months ago You'd think Poles of all people would be aware of how it looks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The real issue is that they never stated that they are not nazi sympathizers after the whole thing. They issued a non-apology, said it caused “unfortunate associations”, “this is our history”, but never said they don’t associate with nazis, that nazism is bad, or that whoever is responsible for the fuckup will be held accountable permalink fedilink source parent [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) To be fair, when I saw those symbols I thought about lightning, not SS, especially given the spacing that would have never hinted at the SS symbol. Then, knowing the game, I thought it must have been some Slavic mythology reference. But I understand Germans, Zios and Americans are obsessed about such things. After all they keep learning from each other about cultural appropriation and erasure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) My first thought wasn't the SS, but the fact that they saw it and thought it might be a problem in Germany is another story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] florge@feddit.uk 20 points 2 months ago (8 children) https://www.theverge.com/games/945088/gog-apologizes-email-nazi-symbols-the-end-of-the-sun permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) As someone from Germany, this would freak the hell out of me. Looks like a mistake, not something intentionally crafted. Whatever the real reason is (companies rarely say the truth), I understand the issue now. Thanks for the link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (6 children) The real issue is that they saw the problem and fixed it for Germany only and not for anywhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 12 points 2 months ago You'd think Poles of all people would be aware of how it looks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The real issue is that they never stated that they are not nazi sympathizers after the whole thing. They issued a non-apology, said it caused “unfortunate associations”, “this is our history”, but never said they don’t associate with nazis, that nazism is bad, or that whoever is responsible for the fuckup will be held accountable permalink fedilink source parent [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) To be fair, when I saw those symbols I thought about lightning, not SS, especially given the spacing that would have never hinted at the SS symbol. Then, knowing the game, I thought it must have been some Slavic mythology reference. But I understand Germans, Zios and Americans are obsessed about such things. After all they keep learning from each other about cultural appropriation and erasure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) My first thought wasn't the SS, but the fact that they saw it and thought it might be a problem in Germany is another story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 months ago (7 children) As someone from Germany, this would freak the hell out of me. Looks like a mistake, not something intentionally crafted. Whatever the real reason is (companies rarely say the truth), I understand the issue now. Thanks for the link. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (6 children) The real issue is that they saw the problem and fixed it for Germany only and not for anywhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 12 points 2 months ago You'd think Poles of all people would be aware of how it looks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The real issue is that they never stated that they are not nazi sympathizers after the whole thing. They issued a non-apology, said it caused “unfortunate associations”, “this is our history”, but never said they don’t associate with nazis, that nazism is bad, or that whoever is responsible for the fuckup will be held accountable permalink fedilink source parent [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) To be fair, when I saw those symbols I thought about lightning, not SS, especially given the spacing that would have never hinted at the SS symbol. Then, knowing the game, I thought it must have been some Slavic mythology reference. But I understand Germans, Zios and Americans are obsessed about such things. After all they keep learning from each other about cultural appropriation and erasure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) My first thought wasn't the SS, but the fact that they saw it and thought it might be a problem in Germany is another story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 22 points 2 months ago (6 children) The real issue is that they saw the problem and fixed it for Germany only and not for anywhere else. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 12 points 2 months ago You'd think Poles of all people would be aware of how it looks. permalink fedilink source parent [–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The real issue is that they never stated that they are not nazi sympathizers after the whole thing. They issued a non-apology, said it caused “unfortunate associations”, “this is our history”, but never said they don’t associate with nazis, that nazism is bad, or that whoever is responsible for the fuckup will be held accountable permalink fedilink source parent [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) To be fair, when I saw those symbols I thought about lightning, not SS, especially given the spacing that would have never hinted at the SS symbol. Then, knowing the game, I thought it must have been some Slavic mythology reference. But I understand Germans, Zios and Americans are obsessed about such things. After all they keep learning from each other about cultural appropriation and erasure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) My first thought wasn't the SS, but the fact that they saw it and thought it might be a problem in Germany is another story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 12 points 2 months ago You'd think Poles of all people would be aware of how it looks. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] afaix@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago The real issue is that they never stated that they are not nazi sympathizers after the whole thing. They issued a non-apology, said it caused “unfortunate associations”, “this is our history”, but never said they don’t associate with nazis, that nazism is bad, or that whoever is responsible for the fuckup will be held accountable permalink fedilink source parent
[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (3 children) To be fair, when I saw those symbols I thought about lightning, not SS, especially given the spacing that would have never hinted at the SS symbol. Then, knowing the game, I thought it must have been some Slavic mythology reference. But I understand Germans, Zios and Americans are obsessed about such things. After all they keep learning from each other about cultural appropriation and erasure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) My first thought wasn't the SS, but the fact that they saw it and thought it might be a problem in Germany is another story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (2 children) My first thought wasn't the SS, but the fact that they saw it and thought it might be a problem in Germany is another story. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] biofaust@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago (1 child) But it is. In Germany. Then do you think the same of the Wolfenstein games being about the Cult if the Wolf or whatever it was? Germany always had special treatment, self-inflicted or not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] scutiger@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago I understand that, but then why would they not correct it for everyone? They saw that there was a problem, so they made a second newsletter specifically for Germany, but sent the problematic one out to everyone else. Like wouldn't it have made more sense to just fix it for everyone and avoid the obvious criticism? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] alfredon996@feddit.it [S] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child) Maybe some Celtic crosses and totenkopfs too permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 months ago What do Celtic crosses have to do with anything? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 2 points 2 months ago What do Celtic crosses have to do with anything? permalink fedilink source parent