r/trueanon comment section defending "AI" (old.reddit.com)

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The post itself is making fun of r/LeftistForAI, but then I veer into the comments and there's a lot of "AI would be good actually if weren't for capitalism."

First of all, people seem to be under the impression these so-called "AIs" can do a bunch of things they cannot do, which is really frustrating.

But my critique of the thing is so much more fundamental:

Anything worthwhile or interesting, whether it be written words, music, a game, whatever, is characterized by someone making an effort. Like they actually tried, they actually thought about it. They tried to look at the big picture as well as the details. Decisions were made about many things, should this be this way or that way? Things were tried, sometimes thrown out, sometimes kept. Someone went over it again and again.

Prompting a fucking LLM, or music generator or whatever, to just make a thing means that doesn't happen. Why would I engage with a thing that the "creator" didn't even bother engaging with?

Is nobody else feeling this way? They're all just missing the forest for the trees! WTF is going on?

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[-] Athena5898@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago

Sorry. Its still early for me and I'm suffering through a flare up.

In my mind two types is like I know there is open source but I'm not sure what that means. Then there is the Chinese model which may also be open source? Then there is the tech bros like Google and amazon who obviously do not have people needs at the for front.

And there is like what. What is AI in terms of language. What makes these new systems different then the things we were doing before chatgpt came into our lives? Like we always had bots.

[-] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Ai really isn't my speciality so I don't think I can answer most of this.However I'll give what I know a shot.

Open-source AI models (or open-weight models as I think they're technically called) allow people to download the model’s trained parameters and run, modify and fine-tune it themselves rather than relying entirely on the developer’s platform. Many Chinese developers, including DeepSeek and Qwen, release model weights, code and technical papers, operating partly like open research labs, although not every Chinese model is open. By contrast most of the large western firms keep their leading models proprietary instead selling access through their platforms or API's.

As for the technical minutia of your second question I am unsure beyond the fact it's a lot of matrix maths.

[-] Athena5898@hexbear.net 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you very much for the explanations! I appreciate you!

[-] BuhbyeLittleGumshoe@hexbear.net 4 points 1 day ago

I’m not the original person but the reason we have chatbots and image generators and the whole concept of AI slop is because the “AI” sector got chosen as a vessel for speculation. I strongly question the utility/ethics/value of chatbots, versus the applications for this sector if it was not being turned into the ersatz centerpiece of global capitalism. I think you’re humoring these speculators when you try to understand it through the lens of sapience.

In a few years it will be some other tech sector where a lack of progress can be hidden behind billions from international finance gamblers. If we don’t have a 100th Anniversary Black Tuesday Reenactment.