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It's been fun, but I don't have another migration left in me. (thelemmy.club)
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Some will cheer, some will be mildly disappointed. But I'm out, I think.

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[+] -25 points 3 months ago (16 children)

The short version - 10 people (0.02% of us) were casting 60% of all votes. I stopped it.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You say that like it needed to happen. Sure some people may be too liberal with their votes. Perhaps though those little stray upvotes to people who otherwise wouldn't have gotten much of anything might mean something. Might even mean a lot. Some people are always going to have an outsized influence in communities. And you cannot have a flourishing community by trying to eliminate that.

    I'm all for eliminating coordinated Mass voting. But I think limiting your most active participants is a shooting yourself in the foot sort of move.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It's probably true that the Threadiverse is run mostly by power users, but that's not a flaw that should be addressed with technical limitations. It's just a matter of general inactivity.

    I set up my Epic Games community years ago, but it has attracted less than a handful posters. MeanwhileOnGrad gets a lot of engagement but many posts are from cm, and most are probably from just a few users, while goat was the only moderator until becoming inactive recently. Again, just a matter of the Threadiverse barely growing (as evidence by the total MAU number being the same as 3 years ago) and consisting mainly of lurkers rather than something to pin on the ones who are actually active.

    There's no question that PugJesus is not a bot, so if the limit hinders them, I'd have no reason to doubt that or want to tell them to just use the platform differently. If we are to talk disparity, people from Hexbear and the like tend to use alts, so they're the ones to benefit from the change.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    It's just kind of bad policy in general. As someone who moderates a community or two. I tend to upvote most engagement. It's just really a basic way to encourage engagement. It hasn't traditionally cost you anything. And when people see other people responding to their posts it makes them want to post more. Etc. If you have a number of communities and you do this. It will quickly blow through your limit in this case.

    To be clear. I think rimu has good intentions. But to be further clear. I think they also rush into things like this. Looking at things from a purely numbers perspective while neglecting the human perspective. Programming and numbers are very logical. People are anything but.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Or, it would be fine to discard people's votes in the sense of a new scoring algorithm that discounts them. That would be opt-in to a new feature that those of us who don't want it could simply ignore.

    But to arbitrarily simply THROW VOTES AWAY? Damn that's unfriendly. Especially when the culture on the Threadiverse has been absolutely begging for activity since before the Rexodus even, while now all of a sudden in less than a week that virtue turned sour and actively became a vice?

    Tbf there may be stuff that I am unaware of - like a coordinated campaign to make Russia look good at Ukraine's expense? THAT I think most people could agree with deserves shutting down. But upvotes of cat pictures? LET THE CAT-VOTES COMMENCE! i.e. a signal, conveying that...

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    If votes were made public, then people could make informed decisions on whether to block the top voters - up or down. Votes are inherently public data anyway, just hidden from view by most interfaces.

    Alternately, we already have an Attitude score, just add a new Engagement score to highlight people who engage more vs. less? If people want to block users who engage a ton with posts, they can again make an INFORMED DECISION as to whether they want to do so.

    As it is now though, PieFed hides downvotes (merging them together with upvotes), blocks lemvotes.org to hide all voting data from PieFed.social, and now full-on throws these additional contributions into the garbage bin. All of which would be fine, if they had been transparently performed. However, I note the language of "Newbie friendly: Yes" for Piefed.social at https://piefed.social/auth/instance_chooser, which would seem to imply that someone coming in from Reddit could readily adopt this as their social media platform? The truth though is that they need to read a fair bit about the culture and various sub-cultures here, and most importantly read the unwritten rules, like how this is not aimed to be a social media replacement (which is HUGE news to me btw!!!), and instead... I dunno exactly, but maybe it's aiming to become a Mastodon replacement? Or an old-school forum board one, just federated? It can be whatever it wants, but IMHO it needs to actually SAY WHAT THAT IS, or else risk immense disappointment when people find out the hard way.

    As PugJesus did, though many others now will be spared that, by avoiding PieFed in the future?

    And I need to face facts myself: we are a Linux forum, and we will never be anything else. I've gone back to Reddit over the last couple of days and rediscovered what having CONTENT is like!! Whole swaths of events happening in the world that you never hear so much as a whisper about here. Rarely - I could count on one or two hands - you see someone sharing true OC like a comic artist, but the vast majority of "content" in this place seems to just be circle-jerking. Do you think I am wrong in these musings? The ONE thing that (I thought) it had going for it was it being more open and welcoming. And maybe some instances - like blahaj - still are, but PieFed.social seems to be signaling HARD that it is not interested in "fluff", and now wants to be serious (like Mastodon), despite having next to no actual content to offer in that regard? I desperately wish that I am wrong here...

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    But frankly, I don't know either what PieFed is "trying" to be.

    I no longer feel that I know this either. Maybe it wants to become more like nodeBB and Mastodon? It's definitely a departure from Reddit though, which again is fine but that fact being unannounced is what troubles me. Plus in the past Rimu has marketed it as a replacement for Lemmy, though I suppose that is up to heavy interpretation.

    What are its core values and principles? And if not like Reddit, then why Reddit-shaped? Its visualization leads people to have certain EXPECTATIONS, whether it desires that to have occurred or not. Form typically follows function, so if deviating from them... what then?

    because people here are a bit more similar in what they want to discuss

    Rimu would seem to vehemently disagree. And legitimately people's needs fluctuate - sometimes you just want to unwind by watching some memes, while other times you can be more in the mood for a deeper conversation. Part of what I am saying here is that a more Reddit-esque general purpose solution has worked out well for us all so far. Now it seems like Rimu is wanting to offer additional "specialization", both by building it straight into the code (this recent controversy due to it having been offered as an opt-out rather than opt-in feature!!!), and by - with zero advanced warning & barely having announced it at all - suddenly deploying onto the flagship instance PieFed.social.

    As we aim to "specialize", suddenly all these questions begin to become crucial (such as who are we and what do we want out of this platform), which previously when we were still more general-purpose were irrelevant.

    On a general-purpose platform, we all got along just fine. But now if some things are "bad" that were previously "good", conflict inevitably arises.

    And it's so confusing to people how sudden this all is, as it takes them time to absorb it all - e.g. how much of this specialization is able to be be set aside, like will PieFed.zip and .ca and .world be more welcoming to memes / "low-effort" content? while in contrast is PieFed.social now no longer mere not desiring such but becoming actively hostile to it? and making that the DEFAULT behavior in the code no less!!! We thus now need statements from PieFed.ca, .zip, .world etc. as to whether they support this new trend towards active hostility towards heavy upvoters. But again, this is all so new and sudden, that I would wager that many PieFed admins didn't even know this was coming up, so are unprepared for this.

    This sudden deployment is a MAJOR part of the problem. Especially buried as it is in a v1.7 - like this hasn't been treated as the major backwards compatibility breaking change that it is, like I could see something like this in a 2.0, but buried in a 1.7 with hardly any explanation at all?

    I would like Rimu to read more Machiavelli. It would help PieFed survive longer.

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