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i go out of my way to experience different cultures and it seems like the immigrant communities in the united states originating from communist countries tend to be some of the chuddiest people imaginable. chinese, russian, cuban, vietnamese. literally every person who i ever talked to that has lived in a communist country and then moved to the united states, or is like second or third generation from that, tends to be incredibly reactionary and anti communist. i feel like i am a more well versed communist when talking to people that lived in a communist country.

its like that everyone that comes to the united states from a communist country forgets the values of marxism, socialism, and communism. i have been too polite to ask what really made these people move to this fucking shithole and if i had to guess they have something severely wrong with them and they want to participate in some small business tyrany and become capitalists. like all these assholes be chasing the dollar and they bring great shame on their own nationality even being here.

i have had much better discussions with people from countries that are still being exploited by capitalists since they already have an understanding of what colonialism and capitalism even is and they arent here to try to become small business owners or worse. people from puerto rico dont got the brain worms that cuban expats do for example.

and i should mention, they all state, they love their country but they blame everything bad with their country on communists. It infuriates me hearing these people, who were born in a nation with socialized healthcare, state controlled industry, basic welfare for citizens, just trash talk the system that make them so successful in the first place and gave them the resources they probably didn't deserve to open up a shitty restaurant selling borscht. they would know exactly why these social programs cant meet demand if they just took the blindfold off and realized that america, the great fucking satan, is the reason why the global economy is so unequal ITS ALL BECAUSE OF FUCKING AMERICA NOT COMMUNISM YOU STUPID FUCK!

ive been told not to view myself as more communist than others, but i fucking am around these parts with expats who are not communist whatsoever, that makes me more communist than them. if i was to draw a hundred mile radius around myself odds are there probably wouldnt be someone more communist than me. nobody in my life reads theory, every fucking time i tried reaching out with dsa or the bernie shit i have only met shitlibs, i have found no comrades in bipoc communities, the lgbt, religion, or labor. just having someone say to me face to face they are a communist would help me anchor my belief system to something real and not entirely made up and on the internet.

idk, communism is basically what i use to fill my god hole and its fucking hard to find communists irl and its real shitty that people from communist countries arent oftentimes communists. i just want some validation in my belief in communism by someone who is fucking real.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Capitalism is still the exact same as it was in their day.

I mean that's not true at all. The intrinsic motivation is still the same, but it's structural hierarchy and the way it interacts and controls it's production and labour has evolved.

We havent really seen a Communist revolution since the advent of globalization. You can't just capture a territory and start utilizing it's infrastructure and resources for revolutionary purposes. The logistics of globalized capitalism just doesn't fit within the economic realities of Lenin's and Mao's time.

Say you capture a grain mill for food production, after all an army marches on it's stomach. Okay great, we can process grain! Oh wait, this mill imports it's grain from half way around the planet..... I guess we have to stall the revolution until we build infrastructure and grow a crop to harvest.

The capitalist learned from Mao, they know that they can't allow labour the possibility of controlling the means of production. So they've scattered the the production lines across the globe.

everything is great under capitalism, their own personal oppression under the system will say otherwise.

They figured that fix out a while ago.... It was slavery. The vast majority of people don't really care if their lives are shit so long as their is someone who's life is even shittier, and they have control over them. After most western nations outlawed slavery it took that coping mechanism away, and within a couple generations we had saw the advent of socialism. This of course was prior to the globalization of capitalism. We now have the whole southern hemisphere to exploit and control.

Anyone who says that Lenin or Mao are "outdated" because they are "old" hasn't actually read and understood them.

I'm not saying that there isn't useful information in mao or Lenin, the way they conducted their revolutions worked for for their society and their time. I just think being dogmatic about it or believing it can be applied to any time and location in history is silly. That ignores the fact that Mao himself evolved his theory from Lenin, specifically curtailing it to his own society and foes.

The internet is largely used by capitalists the same way radio, television and newspapers were beforehand, they haven't "reforged" anything

I think that's ignoring a lot of nuance and historical context. The invention of the printing press in the west marks the kicking off point of hundreds of years of revolutionary thought in Europe. It ushered in the decline of empires, theocratic states, and cultural acceptance of chattel slavery. It wasn't really until the advent of fascism that capitalist countries really learned how to develop counterrevolutionary tactics over these tools of revolution.