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Trump Secretly Orders Mass Arrests After ICE Disasters
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Immigrants and trans people are just collateral damage to you?
Our suffering is a necessary evil?
What if I don’t want to be a pawn in your fucking game? What if I just wanted to live a happy life?
Fuck me for wanting a normal life rather than being fodder for your battles?
Your assumption that we’d defeat this so called “inevitable threat” throws people like me into the fire, and you could be wrong.
What if you’re wrong?
What if NOT letting this happen was our last chance, and we will never be free the way we used to ever again now… because of people like you?
I think you misunderstood me. Voting for the “lesser evil” is a valid strategy if it comes up every once in a while and you can use it to avert disaster, but when every single election comes down to voting for the “lesser evil”, then you just end up on a steady march toward an evil outcome.
We’ve been on this path for decades, with today’s Democrats being far to the right of where Republicans were fifty years ago. Even if Harris wasn’t as bad as Trump (which she almost certainly wouldn’t be), she would help build the framework for the next Trump-like monster that followed her.
You don’t fix an evil system by voting for evil over and over again, evil if it’s the lesser evil. We need to stop seeing Democratic candidates like Harris and the like for any movement away from evil to happen.
And we need to stop electing fascists if we ever want a chance to "see" (read: vote for) such a candidate. It's actually not about this abstract, undefined "greater evil vs lesser evil" bullshit, it's about what the two viable candidates were actually likely to do once in power. Everyone knew Trump was a fascist who would try to literally end democracy, he's done it before and it was essentially his entire platform. Yet here we are. Dems, as experience has taught us, were likely to piddle around for four to eight years and do some performative but ineffectual lip service to their base, while keeping what passes as democracy in place. Seems like a pretty easy choice to me. You can't fix a system from within if the system has been burned to ground.
I totally agree. I think keeping the extreme evil of Trump out of power was worth voting for a controlled opposition establishment Democrat (and of course I voted for Harris and didn’t sit the election out).
A campaign based on lesser evil drives down voter turnout if it’s used every single election, which it has been for so long. The one reprieve we’ve had was Obama (the first time, when he still seemed progressive) running on a campaign of hope and change. Trump is the worst we’ve seen so far, but all of the Republican candidates back to at least Reagan were pretty awful people and the Democratic stance was mostly just pointing out how awful they are.
If we consistently don’t get opposition candidates with a positive message and plan for fixing things, we end up with low voter turnout and monsters like Trump in office.
So the answer is yes.
Minorities are collateral damage to your moral crusade.
Maybe look in the mirror every so often before repeatedly spouting off about evil.
And don't forget the thousands of brown people that have been murdered in their own countries as a result. Their sacrifice is apparently acceptable if it helps save glorious American politics.
You mean like the minorities that Kamala locked up in California . . . Or the ones being killed in Gaza?
I'm fine with the mirror with voting for De La Cruz. I don't think you are.
Because as we can clearly see Trump did not in anyway act to increase the number incarcerated minorities or to speed up the genocide in Palestine
So your answer is to vote for lots of crimes against minorities, as long as someone else does more?
I like how by this statement you admit that there was a choice that was less crimes against minorities.
Neat how that option doesn't matter to you
I like how you apparently don't understand there's more than one election over time, and so you're demanding that you be recognized as moral (and those that disagree with your shit tactics as immoral) because you're now set a permanent level of crimes against minorities. Which will continue to be increased each time you make this same bad choice.
But yes dear, since it's obvious like most liberals you're only interested in your own self-image of morality, and not actual political power to stop the GOP, you're the true holy one. I'm sure all the people at Liz Warren's barbershop adore you.
Yeah an image made in illustrator isn't proof of that. Someone hasn't been paying attention to US politics at all.
Also, no you don't have to be a liberal to realize that when presented 2 options you should pick one. We literally have concentration camps now because people are running with this BS you've presented.
But yeah rattle on about Liz Warren, a strategy that clearly failed, one that I never supported, and that has harmed the establishment dems significantly. Their clear failures have lead to the DSA's recent successes.
Do I need to draw you a picture to make that clearer?
You're arguing against your own point. The DSA is succeeding because the center failed in 2024. It's that same failure of people to vote for Kamala that is responsible for that. The same people you're whining about.
It's not like we didn't try your way - 2020 saw Biden elected with both houses. And he did . .. nothing. The Democratic leadership used the opportunity to go after the left is all. And they were promptly defeated in 2024.
So again, if you want to stop the GOP, your lesser evil strategy has been shown to be a failure multiple times. The only reason to follow it is if you're trying to fill your own self-esteem at the cost of actual effective action.
If you don't know the difference between Liz Warren and Liz Cheney, you should learn a bit more about US politics.
My mistake, I dislike both Liz Warren and Liz Cheney. Both represent clear failures of the democrats. Feel free to rattle on about either while you ignore the real issues
Yeah sure Biden did absolutely nothing, eat up the Republican slop and ignore our brand new concentration camps and brownshirts running around
Hey, obviously I despise ICE.
Which is why I don't vote for candidates that support it. You are angry that I'm not.
Your anger is valid. It is also misplaced.
Whatever gets you through the night, buddy.
I think we can maybe build a better society by electing better representatives to office, but if you want to read that hope for a solution as some personal attack against “minorities” (which I’m apparently not anymore), then you’re just one less person trying to actually fix all this.
Maybe raging against strangers on the internet and turning people away from you will make things better. 🤷
I’m not your “buddy”. I’m a transgender woman.
Abstaining from voting is not “electing better representatives”, especially not when one guy is Donald John Trump.
I do have hope for a solution. I just don’t see how any good will come from treating the solution like a zero sum game where comprimiste is tantamount to defeat. Nothing good has ever come from that mentality.
Letting the pedophile dictator with a lifetime of ties to corrupt powerful men the world over, become leader of the most wealthy nation state the world has ever seen, with less guardrails and more radicalized sycophants and loyalists, with the hopes it will spark a revolution, that succeeds, and ends with a coalition of left leaning leadership, reforming our country à la Nordic democratic socialism…
… is inevitable?
…
Oh and also, I’m calm. Stop projecting your frustration onto me.
I think the issue is youre more upset at the people with little to no power not voting rather than our leaders over decades creating this outcome. People with power have created the country we live in today regardless if they were blue or red.
We had no choice in Kamala being the candidate, and she was an utter disaster. You should be more mad about a lack of a primary than non voters. Its the candidates responsibility to get people to vote for them and the outcome solely falls on their shoulders. No one but Kamala and the Democrat leaders are to blame for low voter turn out, if they wanted more votes they should have had more popular policies. Its obvious genocide isn't popular yet they made the choice to support it, thats on them, not a nobody you couldn't even name staying home because they didn't like either option.
Your choosing to blame and fight with people similar to you with little to no power rather than blaming and fighting those with power who created the situation we are in. Your anger is misplaced and that's an issue.
Accelerationists truly have no concept of what they clamor for.
You're literally justifying Palestinians as collateral damage. You don't have the moral high ground here. You're perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of others.
Here. Take a look. I dare you. https://archivegenocide.com/
False equivalence. Palestine was fucked either way, and Harris winning was probably the better outcome of the two. No outcome was going to stop the genocide, so it's not particularly relevant to the choice. Except that the outcome we got was almost certainly the worse one.
Trans people and immigrants did have outcomes that were radically different based on who won. The choice changed the outcome, so it was relevant
So was going around congress twice weapons to ship weapons to Israel. Funny how important it is to hold voters accountable but not politicians.
Get me in a room with the politicians and I'm more than happy to hold them accountable. But I'm not in a room with politicians, I'm in a room with voters.
Spending your time online telling people to vote for politicians who clearly prefer to represent Israeli citizens over American citizens is certainly a choice.
A choice I wouldn't have to make were it not for those who have chosen to spend their time online telling people not to vote against politicians who not only prefer to represent Israeli citizens over American citizens, but also prefer to hunt minorities for sport and erode basic rights.
Everyone makes choices. Sometimes grown-ups are forced to make difficult choices because idealistic children made terrible ones.
Who did you vote for in the 2020 Democratic primaries?
Bernie obviously. Why is that relevant?
Because you sound a lot like the kind of person who would vote for Joe Biden in the primaries.
Because you're not paying attention to what I said, and substituting understanding with a ridiculous strawman where everyone who doesn't agree with you is BlueMAGA.
Primaries are the appropriate time to vote your conscience. The general election is the time to try to secure the best outcome possible between the choices.
In regards to Palestine, there was not a choice to withdraw support for Israel. Vote Republican? Palestine is royally fucked. Vote Democrat? Palestine is also fucked, though potentially to a slightly lesser degree. Vote third party or not at all? A Democrat or Republican wins, Palestine is still fucked. There's very little difference in the outcomes, so it's not a useful criteria for making the choice. Sure, you might feel self-righteous for abstaining, but that in no way unfucks Palestine even a little bit.
Since there's no difference in outcomes for Palestine, the decision should be made based on other criteria: immigration, civil rights, etc. Spending your time online telling voters not to vote for the lesser evil because they're still evil does not prevent evil from filling the office
Imagine it this way: what if there were a major candidate who was resolute about aiding Palestine, withdrawing support for Israel, and even taking action against them? And what if vegans flooded online spaces to try to convince voters not to vote for them because they aren't committed to ending meat consumption? Assume that neither candidate is committed to ending meat consumption.
How would you feel about those people taking actions that jeopardize Palestine because the pro-Palestine candidate isn't vegan? Even if you're vegan yourself and agree that meat consumption should end, not voting for the pro-Palestine candidate isn't going to accomplish that. No option is going to accomplish that. They're just sacrificing Palestine to make a stand on an issue that will turn out the same either way.
Okay.
... that's exactly what every BlueMAGA says bud.
That's exactly my point bud. Instead of trying to consider my point, it disagrees with you so you put it in the BlueMAGA box so you don't have to think about it.
And no, every BlueMAGA doesn't say that. They say to vote for their current neoliberal darling. They're not encouraging you to vote for socialists in the primary.
It's something rational leftists say to try to convince stalwart ideologues to act in a way that will actually help in some way.
I notice you didn't even try to address my actual point. How would you feel about vegans trying to sabotage a non-vegan, Pro-Palestine candidate? Are you willing to sacrifice Palestine for a stand on something the other guy wasn't going to do either? What's the point? Cui bono?
If you can't answer that question honestly then you need to rexamine your approach.
... That's what you're doing.
You're trying to tell me that your motives make all the difference. I'm telling you on the internet if you walk like BlueMAGA and quack like BlueMAGA you're BlueMAGA.
If we need their votes to win in the general election we need to consider who they would want in the primary.
BlueMAGA treats primaries like winner take all contests which is precisely how you described it. How many more general elections do you want to lose so you can continue living in that fantasy?
Answer the question. Sabotage a pro-Palestine candidate because they aren't vegan yes or no.
Define "sabotage" in this context for me. People refusing to vote for a candidate they do not feel represents them?
Encourage others to refuse to vote for them on moral grounds because they're evil
So... campaigning? I support it. That's a part of a functioning democracy.
Discouraging people online from voting isn't campaigning.
Just to be clear, you support campaigning against a pro-Palestine candidate in a race against a pro-Israel candidate, on the grounds of promoting a change that neither one will implement. So you're saying Palestinians are an acceptable sacrifice in order to make a moral stance which will not actually lead to any change.
Says you. 🤷
You're trying to turn this into some kind of gotcha for me but it won't work because I believe in a functional democracy voters don't owe politicians or other voters their votes. All you're doing is making an argument against democracy.
At the end of the day Biden/Harris didn't win the election. If you wanted a different outcome you should be angry at them for failing to do their jobs as politicians and find a way to represent the people they were depending on to get reelected. Biden didn't have to go around congress twice to ship weapons to Israel. Biden didn't have to side with rail corporations and block the rail strike. But these are the decisions he made and Trump won again. If you want a better outcome then work to get better candidates through the primaries.
I see you didn't try to deny anything I said about you using Palestinians as disposable pawns for impotent grandstanding. Thank you, that's really the only thing I needed to know.
I see you're not acknowledging you can make that argument for any number of circumstances which would eradicate the sole benefit of democracy. If voters are morally obligated to vote for a particular candidate you might as well not have voting at all.
Whatever you need to tell yourself to justify genocide. That's exactly what a secret MAGA would say.
You're literally justifying Palestinians as collateral damage. You don't have the moral high ground here. You're perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of others
My guy, you're the one telling people they're morally obligated to vote for genocide supporters.
Uhhhh where did they do that?