▲ 1085 ▼ Anybody Who Thinks Orbital Data Centers are a Good Idea Is Suffering from AI Psychosis, Experts Argue (tech.yahoo.com) submitted 3 months ago by Some_Emo_Chick@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world 400 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] nightlily@leminal.space 29 points 2 months ago (38 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source hideshow 38 child comments replies: [–] lando55@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago Are we talking about a vacuum of copper or a vacuum of feathers permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -20 points 2 months ago* (36 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 36 child comments replies: [–] nightlily@leminal.space 15 points 2 months ago (3 children) No you’re just confident despite your ignorance. Turning waste heat into electromagnetic radiation is not easy or efficient - 100 to 350W per square meter in current space craft. The sheer scale of radiators necessary in a orbital data centre would dwarf the footprint of the servers themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -18 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Perhaps you can educate us instead of being mad at the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Thanks but I'd like to not read Billy Madison's lecture on thermal dynamics based on magic and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (16 children) I don't know if you realize this but losing heat by radiating it away is incredibly slow and inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -14 points 2 months ago* (15 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (14 children) It does matter because it means it's not a solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -12 points 2 months ago* (13 children) Never said it was. But if you want a solution NASA figured it out almost 3 quarters of a century ago. If the cooling solution is the thread that makes or breaks the concept sure you could justify being this irrational I guess or you could find the next better reason to be against data centers in space. Upto you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 10 points 2 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago You sound like you think you're making a point but you're kinda just saying nonsense in the face of this not being viable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (8 children) Man, you can't be this pedantic and this incorrect, all at the same time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -13 points 2 months ago* (7 children) The "there is no air in space therefore datacenters in space are a bad idea" crew is not going away. Are you even human? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) We got Musk fanboys on Lemmy before GTA 6. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You don’t understand how heat dissipation works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) When i did i say anything of that? Are you ok buddy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Check how many square meters of copper radiators per human you need on ISS and then do the math kwh for a datacenter and you will get more tonnes of material than any material on the hole planet earth and now you understand why it's your idea that's removed from any intelligent discourse. Or why would I bother educating you. Go and invest in companies building data centers in space, vote for them, idc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (3 children) Black body radiation is a real, but it's an extremely inefficient way to get rid of excess heat. So you'd need huge radiators to get enough surface area. Add to this the fact that terrestrial data centers operate at a loss, and there's no way to run a space based one profitably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) plus trying to dissipate heat in space, which is mostly a vacumn is a problem too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* "Black body radiation" is the physical process by which you "dissipate" (the correct word here is "radiate") heat in space. In space you can't just have the heat be passed from the radiator to some "substance" that fills space (like on Earth the heat is passed to air or to water that then gets released to the environment) because almost all of space is empty of matter (not exactly: there's incredibly low density stuff in it, mainly ions, but such low density means pretty much no available mass to sink the heat), so the only way for that heat to leave is the natural physical process of a warm body emitting photons merely because of its temperature (the wavelength of which depends on temperature) which is called Black Body Radiation. As others have pointed out, it's a way less efficient process that dissipating heat by it being passed from the radiator directly to some substance that's part of the environment (i.e. transmission). permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Please reconsider your use of the "R" word. It is not harmless. People try to say "it just means stupid" but we all know what people that word refers to. They also know this word, and know it's used in reference to them. They don't deserve it. My wife, for example, used to teach Shakespeare in theatrical classes in the adult day school she worked at. Her student absolutely were capable of learning that and understanding it fully. Yeah, language evolves over time. But just as I hope you wouldn't call a Black person "colored" because that term is currently not appreciated (even though it was the preferred in decades past), I hope you would consider removing the "R" word from your vocabulary as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago They're arguing in favor of AI. They already don't care about other people, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] lando55@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago Are we talking about a vacuum of copper or a vacuum of feathers permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -20 points 2 months ago* (36 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 36 child comments replies: [–] nightlily@leminal.space 15 points 2 months ago (3 children) No you’re just confident despite your ignorance. Turning waste heat into electromagnetic radiation is not easy or efficient - 100 to 350W per square meter in current space craft. The sheer scale of radiators necessary in a orbital data centre would dwarf the footprint of the servers themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -18 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Perhaps you can educate us instead of being mad at the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Thanks but I'd like to not read Billy Madison's lecture on thermal dynamics based on magic and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (16 children) I don't know if you realize this but losing heat by radiating it away is incredibly slow and inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -14 points 2 months ago* (15 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (14 children) It does matter because it means it's not a solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -12 points 2 months ago* (13 children) Never said it was. But if you want a solution NASA figured it out almost 3 quarters of a century ago. If the cooling solution is the thread that makes or breaks the concept sure you could justify being this irrational I guess or you could find the next better reason to be against data centers in space. Upto you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 10 points 2 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago You sound like you think you're making a point but you're kinda just saying nonsense in the face of this not being viable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (8 children) Man, you can't be this pedantic and this incorrect, all at the same time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -13 points 2 months ago* (7 children) The "there is no air in space therefore datacenters in space are a bad idea" crew is not going away. Are you even human? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) We got Musk fanboys on Lemmy before GTA 6. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You don’t understand how heat dissipation works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) When i did i say anything of that? Are you ok buddy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Check how many square meters of copper radiators per human you need on ISS and then do the math kwh for a datacenter and you will get more tonnes of material than any material on the hole planet earth and now you understand why it's your idea that's removed from any intelligent discourse. Or why would I bother educating you. Go and invest in companies building data centers in space, vote for them, idc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (3 children) Black body radiation is a real, but it's an extremely inefficient way to get rid of excess heat. So you'd need huge radiators to get enough surface area. Add to this the fact that terrestrial data centers operate at a loss, and there's no way to run a space based one profitably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) plus trying to dissipate heat in space, which is mostly a vacumn is a problem too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* "Black body radiation" is the physical process by which you "dissipate" (the correct word here is "radiate") heat in space. In space you can't just have the heat be passed from the radiator to some "substance" that fills space (like on Earth the heat is passed to air or to water that then gets released to the environment) because almost all of space is empty of matter (not exactly: there's incredibly low density stuff in it, mainly ions, but such low density means pretty much no available mass to sink the heat), so the only way for that heat to leave is the natural physical process of a warm body emitting photons merely because of its temperature (the wavelength of which depends on temperature) which is called Black Body Radiation. As others have pointed out, it's a way less efficient process that dissipating heat by it being passed from the radiator directly to some substance that's part of the environment (i.e. transmission). permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Please reconsider your use of the "R" word. It is not harmless. People try to say "it just means stupid" but we all know what people that word refers to. They also know this word, and know it's used in reference to them. They don't deserve it. My wife, for example, used to teach Shakespeare in theatrical classes in the adult day school she worked at. Her student absolutely were capable of learning that and understanding it fully. Yeah, language evolves over time. But just as I hope you wouldn't call a Black person "colored" because that term is currently not appreciated (even though it was the preferred in decades past), I hope you would consider removing the "R" word from your vocabulary as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago They're arguing in favor of AI. They already don't care about other people, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nightlily@leminal.space 15 points 2 months ago (3 children) No you’re just confident despite your ignorance. Turning waste heat into electromagnetic radiation is not easy or efficient - 100 to 350W per square meter in current space craft. The sheer scale of radiators necessary in a orbital data centre would dwarf the footprint of the servers themselves. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -18 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Perhaps you can educate us instead of being mad at the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Thanks but I'd like to not read Billy Madison's lecture on thermal dynamics based on magic and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -18 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Perhaps you can educate us instead of being mad at the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Thanks but I'd like to not read Billy Madison's lecture on thermal dynamics based on magic and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] poopkins@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Perhaps you can educate us instead of being mad at the world? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Thanks but I'd like to not read Billy Madison's lecture on thermal dynamics based on magic and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago Thanks but I'd like to not read Billy Madison's lecture on thermal dynamics based on magic and fairy dust. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago (16 children) I don't know if you realize this but losing heat by radiating it away is incredibly slow and inefficient. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -14 points 2 months ago* (15 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (14 children) It does matter because it means it's not a solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -12 points 2 months ago* (13 children) Never said it was. But if you want a solution NASA figured it out almost 3 quarters of a century ago. If the cooling solution is the thread that makes or breaks the concept sure you could justify being this irrational I guess or you could find the next better reason to be against data centers in space. Upto you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 10 points 2 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago You sound like you think you're making a point but you're kinda just saying nonsense in the face of this not being viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -14 points 2 months ago* (15 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 15 child comments replies: [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (14 children) It does matter because it means it's not a solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -12 points 2 months ago* (13 children) Never said it was. But if you want a solution NASA figured it out almost 3 quarters of a century ago. If the cooling solution is the thread that makes or breaks the concept sure you could justify being this irrational I guess or you could find the next better reason to be against data centers in space. Upto you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 10 points 2 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago You sound like you think you're making a point but you're kinda just saying nonsense in the face of this not being viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (14 children) It does matter because it means it's not a solution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -12 points 2 months ago* (13 children) Never said it was. But if you want a solution NASA figured it out almost 3 quarters of a century ago. If the cooling solution is the thread that makes or breaks the concept sure you could justify being this irrational I guess or you could find the next better reason to be against data centers in space. Upto you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 10 points 2 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago You sound like you think you're making a point but you're kinda just saying nonsense in the face of this not being viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -12 points 2 months ago* (13 children) Never said it was. But if you want a solution NASA figured it out almost 3 quarters of a century ago. If the cooling solution is the thread that makes or breaks the concept sure you could justify being this irrational I guess or you could find the next better reason to be against data centers in space. Upto you. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 10 points 2 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago You sound like you think you're making a point but you're kinda just saying nonsense in the face of this not being viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 10 points 2 months ago (11 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 11 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago* (10 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (7 children) lmao "when scientists and engineers figure out how to do it". You can't just engage in magical thinking and frame it as science, sorry. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] FalcoLombardi1@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) I'm absolutely loving this interaction, but the person you're arguing with is probably 15 at most. And if not, I honestly feel sorry for them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 1 point 2 months ago https://youtu.be/Cqrr8a7cCFY permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -9 points 2 months ago (4 children) You can when it is a hypothetical to make your point. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (3 children) ...No, you can't, because then your point is "maybe one day, space magic will be real!" And that makes you sound like a lobotomite. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (1 child) "Hypothetically, some magical bullshit could happen contrary to the known laws of physics (not to mention economics), and that would make me right. Bet you didn't think of that huh?" Win every argument with this high-level lobotomite strategy! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[+] hamid@crazypeople.online 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -3 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] LettyWhiterock@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago You sound like you think you're making a point but you're kinda just saying nonsense in the face of this not being viable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (8 children) Man, you can't be this pedantic and this incorrect, all at the same time. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -13 points 2 months ago* (7 children) The "there is no air in space therefore datacenters in space are a bad idea" crew is not going away. Are you even human? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) We got Musk fanboys on Lemmy before GTA 6. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You don’t understand how heat dissipation works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) When i did i say anything of that? Are you ok buddy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Check how many square meters of copper radiators per human you need on ISS and then do the math kwh for a datacenter and you will get more tonnes of material than any material on the hole planet earth and now you understand why it's your idea that's removed from any intelligent discourse. Or why would I bother educating you. Go and invest in companies building data centers in space, vote for them, idc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -13 points 2 months ago* (7 children) The "there is no air in space therefore datacenters in space are a bad idea" crew is not going away. Are you even human? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) We got Musk fanboys on Lemmy before GTA 6. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You don’t understand how heat dissipation works. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) When i did i say anything of that? Are you ok buddy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Check how many square meters of copper radiators per human you need on ISS and then do the math kwh for a datacenter and you will get more tonnes of material than any material on the hole planet earth and now you understand why it's your idea that's removed from any intelligent discourse. Or why would I bother educating you. Go and invest in companies building data centers in space, vote for them, idc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 child) We got Musk fanboys on Lemmy before GTA 6. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago You don’t understand how heat dissipation works. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Siegfried@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) When i did i say anything of that? Are you ok buddy? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -5 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] jnod4@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago (1 child) Check how many square meters of copper radiators per human you need on ISS and then do the math kwh for a datacenter and you will get more tonnes of material than any material on the hole planet earth and now you understand why it's your idea that's removed from any intelligent discourse. Or why would I bother educating you. Go and invest in companies building data centers in space, vote for them, idc permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (3 children) Black body radiation is a real, but it's an extremely inefficient way to get rid of excess heat. So you'd need huge radiators to get enough surface area. Add to this the fact that terrestrial data centers operate at a loss, and there's no way to run a space based one profitably. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) plus trying to dissipate heat in space, which is mostly a vacumn is a problem too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* "Black body radiation" is the physical process by which you "dissipate" (the correct word here is "radiate") heat in space. In space you can't just have the heat be passed from the radiator to some "substance" that fills space (like on Earth the heat is passed to air or to water that then gets released to the environment) because almost all of space is empty of matter (not exactly: there's incredibly low density stuff in it, mainly ions, but such low density means pretty much no available mass to sink the heat), so the only way for that heat to leave is the natural physical process of a warm body emitting photons merely because of its temperature (the wavelength of which depends on temperature) which is called Black Body Radiation. As others have pointed out, it's a way less efficient process that dissipating heat by it being passed from the radiator directly to some substance that's part of the environment (i.e. transmission). permalink fedilink source parent [+] CovfefeKills@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 2 months ago (1 child) plus trying to dissipate heat in space, which is mostly a vacumn is a problem too. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* "Black body radiation" is the physical process by which you "dissipate" (the correct word here is "radiate") heat in space. In space you can't just have the heat be passed from the radiator to some "substance" that fills space (like on Earth the heat is passed to air or to water that then gets released to the environment) because almost all of space is empty of matter (not exactly: there's incredibly low density stuff in it, mainly ions, but such low density means pretty much no available mass to sink the heat), so the only way for that heat to leave is the natural physical process of a warm body emitting photons merely because of its temperature (the wavelength of which depends on temperature) which is called Black Body Radiation. As others have pointed out, it's a way less efficient process that dissipating heat by it being passed from the radiator directly to some substance that's part of the environment (i.e. transmission). permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 months ago* "Black body radiation" is the physical process by which you "dissipate" (the correct word here is "radiate") heat in space. In space you can't just have the heat be passed from the radiator to some "substance" that fills space (like on Earth the heat is passed to air or to water that then gets released to the environment) because almost all of space is empty of matter (not exactly: there's incredibly low density stuff in it, mainly ions, but such low density means pretty much no available mass to sink the heat), so the only way for that heat to leave is the natural physical process of a warm body emitting photons merely because of its temperature (the wavelength of which depends on temperature) which is called Black Body Radiation. As others have pointed out, it's a way less efficient process that dissipating heat by it being passed from the radiator directly to some substance that's part of the environment (i.e. transmission). permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 child) Please reconsider your use of the "R" word. It is not harmless. People try to say "it just means stupid" but we all know what people that word refers to. They also know this word, and know it's used in reference to them. They don't deserve it. My wife, for example, used to teach Shakespeare in theatrical classes in the adult day school she worked at. Her student absolutely were capable of learning that and understanding it fully. Yeah, language evolves over time. But just as I hope you wouldn't call a Black person "colored" because that term is currently not appreciated (even though it was the preferred in decades past), I hope you would consider removing the "R" word from your vocabulary as well. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago They're arguing in favor of AI. They already don't care about other people, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 7101334@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago They're arguing in favor of AI. They already don't care about other people, unfortunately. permalink fedilink source parent