The only issue with Tesla is that the quality of their cars is mediocre at best, while you're paying premium, and that Tesla is the most childish and obstinate company to work with.

We have something called Råd & Rön's Blacklist, which is respected Swedish consumer magazine's list of products to avoid. Tesla is one of the brands that's listed there. Partly because of the poor quality of the cars and partly because they don't follow the rulings from the National Board for Consumer Complaints here in Sweden.

And they don't give a **** about insurance companies either. If something happens to your Tesla, you're on your own buying a new one yourself. You can forget about getting any sort of help from Tesla.

Rooftop solar is definitely not something Musk can take any credit for.

EVs maybe, but charging infrastructure that he made proprietary rather than using the open standard is not especially worthy of praise.

Elon Musk didn't do any of that though. Engineers did.

He didnt make shit. He saw there was opportunity and ran with it, now that he has it sustainabikity is nowhere close to his goals.

The solar tiles suck The battery is a whitelabelled product The boring company was strategic interference to stop public infrastructure development.

Those things were happening before him and continue DESPITE him. If you get downvoted it’s because you insinuated he had anything to do with that.

I mean, to be fair, it was the engineers and founders who have done a lot of the work. They deserve the credit for making good products. Not Elon. He just profits off of them and the labor of the engineers.

Elon is just a propaganda machine (see his "in 4 or 5 years we'll have datacenters in space" bullshit, or all the other things that he promised but it didn't happen), a shame so many people fall for it.

Yes, but I do not give Musk credit for recognizing a good thing and then taking it from Tesla’s founders.