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It feels like 80% of Americans are just people acting out this meme... (thelemmy.club)
submitted 3 months ago by to c/progressivepolitics@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/48704077

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[–] 10 points 3 months ago (12 children)

What I love are the tankies that are absolutely repulsed by Norway, Sweden and Denmark. They REALLY don't like socialism that way lol, for reasons I cannot fathom.

I asked them to show me another example of socialism working that well and it didn't seem to make them happy lol

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    There are non-tankies (me) who just wouldn't call those countries socialist.

    When asked if there are current examples of socialism working well. Pretty much no, you get couped by the CIA for that haha

    No, I don't count Cuba, Vietnam, china etc. as socialist.

    You can't have socialism without democracy, because of, ya know, the whole "worker control" thing...

    I'm most familiar with China, and there they just have an extra aspect of the ruling class which also includes party position, in addition to wealth...

    In conclusion, accurately pointing out that Norway, Sweden and Denmark aren't socialist, doesn't mean you're a tankie.

    They're just more regulated capitalist countries with better social safety nets than the USA.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    they're about as close to socialism as anything that ever worked.

    look, you can say hey these countries are socialism light, or soft socialism, or whatever, but they WORK a fuckton better than anything the hard core types has ever accomplished. And if you call China socialist then ANYTHING is socialism. Pick a lane, you don't get it both ways.

    On the other hand, the terrible object lesson examples for socialism litter the history books. I'll take a soft socialism 5/5 times before gambling with Pol Pot, Stalin, Xi, Kim etc., you do you.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I think perhaps there has been a misunderstanding because I'm saying none of the above are socialist?

    It's not having it both ways?

    The Nordics are not socialism light. The capitalist class are alive and well there. The workers do not have democratic control over the workplaces (unless they happen to be part of a coop), and you're still able to amass large amounts of wealth on the backs of the working class (there are billionaires from all those countries).

    I'm not disagreeing that it's working better than the "hardcore types" (who I've just said aren't socialist). I'd rather live on the Nordics over China, Vietnam, Cuba etc any day...

    I feel like you haven't actually read my comment :(

    On the other hand, the terrible object lesson examples for socialism litter the history books. I'll take a soft socialism 5/5 times before gambling with Pol Pot, Stalin, Xi, Kim etc., you do you.

    In name only. In my opinion, if it's not democratic, it's not socialism. But I'm kinda annoyed that you're implying I think those "examples" are something worthwhile...

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    for reasons I cannot fathom

    that their wealth comes from the exploitation of the global south…? it’s not a thing leftists are quiet about lol

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    their wealth comes from the exploitation of the global south

    norway's exploiting the global south?

    sweden? is that an ikea thing?

    lol wtf... please educate us

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    See clearly you need to read more theory. The Nordic countries are broadly aligned with the USA, that makes them Satan and responsible for all the evil in the world and you should support gangster oligarchies and theocratic dictatorships who oppose them.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    it's so hard to parse a good joke when it comes to tankies this nearly flew right by

    responsible for all the evil in the world rofls the great satan, oh man.

    I love it. when they completely turn off their brains like this, does it require pulling a plug out or is there a switch?

    pogroms and purges of stalin? THE USA's FAULT

    great leap forward where millions starve? OH YEAH, USA'S FAULT BABY

    NOTHING IS EVERY YOUR FAULT WHEN YOU'VE GOT THE GREAT SATAN TO BLAME LOL

    christ wept this is hilariously stupid

    thank you I needed this laugh. well put.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    The best part is that it isn't even a joke, that is how tankies think when you strip off the rhetoric. They honestly think siding with horrible regimes to oppose "imperialism" (even when opposing imperialism involves literal invasions of neighbouring countries) is the lesser evil.

    Which is its own level of hilarious given the scorn they have for voting for social democrats as the lesser evil.

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