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A Microsoft researcher built a goat-powered LLM in Age of Empires II to prove it's not sentient (www.xda-developers.com)
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[–] 1 point 2 months ago (8 children)

That makes it probable I guess, but it absolutely does not prove it. We cannot prove humans are conscious (except ourselves).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (7 children)

    I was clearly asking from the position of recognising consciousness in other humans. Or is that not your position?

    Solipsism is pointless and boring. By that logic, nothing at all can be proven or disproven.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (6 children)

    I personally suppose humans all (or 99%+, there are always statistical outliers) have a consciousness actually, but that doesn't mean I can use it as a fact when making an argument. For example, if you do use it as a fact, then why doesn't monkeys have a consciousness, pigs, cats, muskitoes, trees, planks, too, etc etc etc.

    Math is based on the idea that 1+1=2 and you take that as granted. I can live with that, it seems reasonable. All humans have a consciousness? Not accepting that if you infer that just because a machine can mimic a human brain, it thus also will have even the possibility to have a consciousness.

    Do you think a machine can have a quala, the experience we "experience" because we have a consciousness?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    This was your position: "we have 'quala' (consciousness)" in regards to humans. That's what I've challenged in my reply.

    Now you've wildly moved the goalposts twice in just two comments. The first (solipsism) I've rejected, but gave you the benefit of the doubt that you just needed a reminder on your own position.

    Now you did it again. I'm not playing this game. Stick to a point, anything else is just rudely wasting the time of people actually interested in having a good-faith exchange of ideas.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (4 children)

    Dude where did I say we (humans) have quala?

    Nowhere.

    I do think most of us do, but that there is absolutely no real proof of it.

    Now who's moving the goalpost with that eh.

    Do feel free to stop wasting my time anytime you like.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Followed up with:

    we cannot prove consciousness (except our own of course) so it'd be you who must prove it can be implemented in a turing machine. Not me.

    So yeah I think humans have it, but we cannot prove anyone else than ourselves do.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    I don't have to address what other things you also said. I challenged that point, which you believe to be true, with relevant interesting facts.

    If you don't want to defend a thing you said, it's much less obvious and embarrassing to just stop responding.

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