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Food should not be a commodity (thelemmy.club)
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[+] -7 points 3 months ago* (15 children)

First : The US government would give people cases of water based on your social security number like they do with snap which currently, can make some people depending on your social security number, wait as far as two weeks into the month for food stamps. So imagine how that would play out with water. By the way that's a way (☝🏻 not THE way, A way) they ration food in communism, they use things like your birth date or state identity (social security) and then ration it that way. Imagine toilet paper being given to you in rationed quantities based on your social security number.

Second: I only agree water and the ability to have a tent without being detained should be basic human needs. Food is a survival thing. You earn food by either by killing your own food or buying it. Water in the other hand it's around but we as humans worry about parasites and shit because we need to so maybe we just start talking about lifestraws more often.

I think that laws surrounding the inability to live life without relying on the grid are exhausting and I think that we're all just meant to be kept down.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (12 children)

    In your opinion, should disabled people and poor people who get too sick to work just fucking die?

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago

    You know what's nuts is every time I've mentioned that subset on reddit I'd get a mixed reaction so I leave those groups put due to the obvious answer of they deserve it.

    I think if you're physically able to work but have something with your mental health setting you back in life and you're constantly trying to make the effort to integrate into society by going to vocational training and supplementing income by working the hours that you possibly can that your condition allows then you should be able to keep your benefits. I think if you're like stunning half the day, non verbalaand can't wash yourself yeah check and housing for life homie!!!!.

    I think if you can work you should work.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Second comment: the othertthing no one talks about is how much of an addiction it becomes. If you get the max amount from disability that near 2k a month minus health insurance and food. You have no generalized savings, unless you're on section 8 due to how much rent you'd have to pay if you weren't. You can have assets with disability but regualr SSI which limits assets and you'd have to keep all your money on cash because if you go over a certain limit in savings which you can't even have a savings account really because of the limit and no work based income it's harder to get a, "regualr bank account," unless it's at a credit union. You also can't own a car on SSI but you can on disability.

    Life isn't great on these services you're very limited and you're better off, if you're able to getting a career that pays at least 75k$ a year and lower expenses on luxuries.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Yes, the system as it is now sucks. You speak as if that is mandatory and unchangeable.

    Again, in your opinion, should disabled people and poor people who get too sick to work just fucking die?

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    No but if there comes a time when they're able to get vocational training and contribute, they should.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    That is not what I asked, way to twist the question lol. Why is it so hard for you to say that no, disable and sick people should not be left to die? That's a weird thing to not be able to do.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I said No. There's no twisting of the question, I am also saying if you're able to support yourself at some time in your life with the help of vocational training which is usually offered through disability services that most states have in place; Then why not attempt it.

    I'm not heartless of course I don't think people who can't take care of themselves shouldn't be left to die but there's so many people that are on sucking that government teat, that the systems in place are over worked and understaffed and underpaid and the trust set aside is declining at record pace because there's too many people. Plus, we have a mentally declining president that's cutting programs for those in need: why? idfk....

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    from a previous comment: . So there’s 350mil people in the US. There’s 163mil working individuals. It’s 6.3E11 to provide $1,800 month which means if you divide that by the amount of workers you get 3865.0306748466257668. So I’m willing to guess that’s how much a month it would cost to the workers of this country to provide $1,800/MO to everyone in the entire country. Which means you’d have to make that figure smaller because not everyone makes enough to cover that a month.

    So that means that if every worker reached that 3865.0306748466257668 every 9 months by paying 429.44785276073619631 a month in extra taxes…

    It would take 9 months to gain the amount of money it would take to make everyone in the US a recipient of 1,800$ a month. Now it would take about 14 years to save up for 25 years worth of being able to give everyone in the US 1,800$. Which means if that money was held in a trust and redistributed in 14 years, it would then not be able to cover the cost of bare minimal goods and services for everyone in the US because within that time frame there will be more births, inflation will occur and the cost of living adjusts. That means that less people can have that money from the trust because now you have to account for those adjustments. Which means that even if you did have enough money to give everyone 1,800$ for 25 years, the amount of time needed to accumulate that would make it so that the very same 1,800$ is worthless.

    That's currently how social security works. There's an amount of money in a trust that's made up of tax payer dollars that redistributes that money to those who can not take care of themselves. They do a COLA (a cost of living adjustment) annually and give people more every year if you're receiving from the government which means that's less money for the next person that needs it.

    The current problem is, that the very same money in the trust is running out.

    Which is why I said, it's not a possibility to be able to give everyone an income or keep everyone alive. There will be casualties and that's usually do to societal needs not being able to be met by the fact that there simply isn't enough to go around for everyone.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    "If you're disabled, you're better off getting a job that pays $10k over the US median annual income than collecting disability."

    What a worthless take.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    I mean fuck me for setting my standards further than being in poverty forever. By the way, college certification courses aren't hard to pay for with payment plans and SaaS/cloud computing isn't a bad one. Even hvac is bumpin' and that's one that autistics can accel at. You could sell an infrastructure or build it and it's less than 15,000$ to get there. Hvac can get to Six Figures but SaaS/Cloud Computing is a high starter. Mri techs aren't bad either those are high paying low cost certification profession.

    Set your goals higher than a bui. How about we help those who are in poverty get into these careers and build them up instead of keeping them on fucking poverty jeezus man.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Okay, so you are more able-bodied than some people. Awesome for you. Not everyone is capable of what you are, even with extensive support. Telling those people to get off SSI, go to school, and get a job isn't helpful. In fact, it mostly just further erodes their self-worth because everything in our fucking society is tied to what value a person can produce for capitalism.

    Everyone deserves to be able to live, even if they can't work.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Really someone learning a valuable skill errors their self worth how? Maybe by a dead end job market but that's their fault then for not doing research on the job market before spending money on furthering your life and btw Affirm has payment plans that are affordable for nearly every earning bracket for college courses.

    Leanring a skill that can help you earn money and get you out of poverty is what fucked up?

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