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"Chat, be normal." πŸ—£ (thelemmy.club)
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[–] 5 points 3 months ago (29 children)

I really don't care what his personal beliefs are. His internal monologue could be non-stop hitler quotes for all i care - if he only votes for progressive policies and doesn't do fascist things, whatever goes on in his head or whatever he has done in his past is his business. He'd be doing something to impede fascism, and that's good. Is it sus? Yes. But I dont need to be his friend. I also don't live in maine. I just need him to take the right actions.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago* (26 children)

    this is just lazy nazi apologia. you are selling your soul for electoralism, ie nothing. If you're going to compromise your morals, why not do it for something actually effective instead of AOCIA 3.0

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (25 children)

    Nope. Because I don't think the democratic party is going to be effective. But if this guy is going to do progressive things that make even a marginal impact, but has sketchy vibes, I will take that over the ultra-corpratist establishment dem he was running against. If it turns out that he's fetterman 2, well that's bad. But if you believe electoralism is ineffective, then it doesnt really matter either way.

    To the extent that electoralism is effective, which isn't much, the lesser of 2 evils is still the right choice. So I'd rather see platner than a republican because, per what he's said he will do, it is a better outcome.

    I do not see voting as compromising morals in any way. Voting is 100% harm reduction and a defense against encroaching fascism. It is not very effective in general, but it is something. And it is obviously not a substitute for direct action, organizing, donating, etc. for effective socialist orgs/causes

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Nazi apologia for a war criminal child murderer. You are becoming scum for no reason, you realize that right? You are lowering yourself to nazism for a 0% at healthcare lmao. It's so pathetic.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Ok well by that logic you want the ultra-Zionist to win and anti-zionism to be discredited as a campaign strategy. Two can play the righteous moralism game

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

    Oh hey look it’s one of the Platner defenders!

    https://hexbear.net/modlog?commentId=6605763

    You've had comments removed for doing exactly what you are doing now, downplaying Nazism and sporting nazi tattoos, yet you keep doing it. Zioran dead-ender social fascist. Having Marx in your name is a fucking joke, you should change it to Bernard.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    All the obsessed stalker posts in the world doesn't change the fact you want the ultra-zionist to win

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    literally just had to plug your name into the modlog, because you probably say this shit non-stop. Marx usernames tend to.

    Taking the same tact as the Blue MAGA, a bold choice when trying to make the case you aren't a libshit.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (7 children)

    Motherfucker did I say the totemkopf is "permissible"? I said most normie-ass Americans can't identify it as a nazi symbol because they're political illiterates, it's an observation of American stupidity not an endorsement of nazi symbolism Obviously that doesn't apply to SS bolts or swastikas because those are identifiable to the wider burgerreich culture

    There is nothing remotely wrong with this comment, making a sociological point about the ignorance of American crackers is not arguing for permission slips to start inking Nazi filth on your skin. The comment was removed for the "motherfucker" not because of me arguing a damn good point

    Of course just like that self-righteous dipshit I was arguing with, you also failed to realize I was making a general point about Americans: "Debra down the street may not know what it was, but a 20-year-old marine in 2006....", which is not me claiming Platner had absolutely no clue or suspicion that it was a Nazi tattoo.

    But of course it's my fault trying to talk sense to uncharitable pro-zionist clowns who just want an excuse to label fellow leftists "nazis"

    By the way still haven't addressed the glaringly obvious point that you literally want an ultra-Zionist to win

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

    you and others in that thread were playing coy and dumb about a fucking 3 tours marine and mercenary having the actual skull from 'we are the baddies' in a croatian (read: ULTRA-NAZI) tattoo parlor. I guarantee you every other tat on display in that parlor was also nazi. You were defending Platner, that's the context in which you decided to declare that nobody has seen the Nazi skull that's on all their caps and uniforms.

    Why is it always the succs with this nazi apologia? Same with the Ukraine crap. Radlibs are fascists. Democrats do genocide. Are you getting it yet? You are the baddies. Why are you teaming up with team baddy

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Democrats do genocide. Are you getting it yet? You are the baddies. Why are you teaming up with team baddy

    Yeah man no shit. We live in the fucking 4th Reich. So forgive me for thinking the Wehrmacht soldier who says we should shut down the concentration camps and pull out of France is a preferable alternative to his opponents who commend the SS on a daily basis.

    Is he an evil guy? Of course he is! We live in the 4th reich! Can we move on to something worth talking about now?

    I’m sorry but in order to have any sort of productive discussion on American politics you’re gonna have to set your bars for evil to relative levels, if you try to use normal human morality as a scale your alarm will just be going off constantly. The background levels of Hitler Particles is just too high.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    You can mope in your paranoid fantasy all you want; point is if you're going to base your critique or analysis on faulty premises, then that's open to correction, which is what I was doing in that thread that was filled with one faulty premise after another. The majority of Americans can't even tell you what year WW2 started, and 47% of Americans can't EVEN give the "six million" number for the Holocaust, and you want to sit there with a straight face and claim your average American has an encyclopedic knowledge of background Nazi symbology beyond the SS bolts and swastika?

    No, that premise is pure echo chamber online leftist delusion shit; the correct premise is Americans by and large are political illiterates by design, who can't identify fascist infiltration and influence even when it's staring them in the face, leading to societal vulnerability to said fascist resurgence. Sorry, but I'm not going to sacrifice that vital insight because you radlib dipshits want to play nazi hunter online

    Now the irony is my argument was simply an offhand correction made irrespective of whether Platner knew or not, because the whole time I leaned toward the "He knew" camp but was open to other possibilities that still ended with him being a lame-ass cracker, but apparently that's not good enough for you moralizing ultras who clearly DON'T CARE that you prefer an ultra-Zionist to win a fuckin Senate seat

    Are you getting it yet? You are the baddies. Why are you teaming up with team baddy

    Did a five year old write this?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Comrade, you have to remain morally pure, even if that means helping Zionists maintain their death grip of political control over America fedposting

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Voting is 100% harm reduction and a defense against encroaching fascism.

    Just friendly reminder this is a thread about a Nazi tattoo haver who was bodyguard at the fucking Abu-Ghraib and doesn't even pretend to be repentant about it.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    There is no evil too great for Democrats to claim is the 'lesser evil'. There is no bottom, there is no floor. The dead-end Liberal "harm reduction" shit always results in this race to the bottom of depravity, it's a fundamentally bad political analysis that keeps being endlessly entertained by the western left.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    If you are anti-electoralist, how is that argument coherent? Can you explain what the harm is in voting for the lesser evil (even if they're still bad) if you're not treating it as your only level of political involvement?

    Senators can literally just serve on committees and vote for bills. Are you worried he will not vote the way he says he will? Or is this about not electing someone with a bad past/values? Or is the concern he is not actually on the left (broadly, he's obviously not a socialist)?

    Because if you're an anti-electoralist:

    • worrying about him having legislative power is a bit odd, you don't believe in the electoral process.

    • worrying about his past & values is either just about not liking the guy (fine, I don't either I think he's sus) or a concern about the way he'd vote - which again, doesn't make sense

    • worrying about himnnot actually being on the left (fetterman 2.0) is competely valid, but... again... this is a concern about how he'd vote and the issues he'd support.

    I do not like Platner. I think he's a very sketchy dude. If I were in Maine, voting for him would feel bad. What I am concerned about is the left purity testing itself so hard it purity tests shitty liberal senators from small states who say they want to make some small stand against fascist policies, war, and the capitalist class. I think it is counterproductove and a waste of time.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (6 children)

    Don't get me wrong, that is despicable. But I stand by what I said: I would rather someone with an extremely fucked up past be in that office if they will enact progressive legislation that will reduce harm in the present/future.

    I am very skeptical given his past. But 1) can he do significantly more harm as senator than Collins? I doubt it. 2) are his stated policy goals of taxes on the wealthy, single payer health care, opposing war in Iran, abolishing ICE, etc. good? Yes. It is good to have someone in that office who will vote for those things (IF he actually will). Those things would be good for marginalized groups and bad for the fascists. That is all I care about as far as electoralism goes.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    The worst case scenario is he’s exactly as bad as his opponents openly claim they will be

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    The opposition from the left is a moral one based on the sketchy shit about him. He's running for senate. He can serve on committees and write bills. That's the extent of it. What are folks worried he'd actually do?

    Opposition from the right is that he'll vote for the progressive things he says he will.

    Left is concerned about who he is (purity testing), the right is concerned about what he'd do (because it'd be bad for them).

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    But comrade, don't you care at all about moral integrity? fedposting

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Not with regard to electoralism. Electoralism is a game with a very particular purpose for leftists, in my view, and holding to ideological purity/morals will make us lose.

    When it comes to actually organizing, someone like Platner would obviously not be a good idea to include. Not without some serious vetting. He could have genuinely changed, but I wouldn't take that risk in an organization.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    bodyguard at the fucking Abu-Ghraib

    No he wasn't, his unit did a one-time patrol in the vicinity of the prison when it was attacked in 2005 (still a horrendous act defending that death camp) but he wasn't stationed there, nor was he one of the torturers; it was simply notable because it was his first combat experience.

    He was a bodyguard who worked for a successor subsidiary of Blackwater for an ambassador in the embassy in Kabul, and that six-month experience supposedly radicalized him

    doesn't even pretend to be repentant about it.

    Except he routinely does pretend to be repentant about it, this right here is the disconnect, you ultras wants us to join the great anti-Platner crusade, as if he's the greatest threat to the left in this country, but you can't even get basic facts about this asshole correct, and the rest of us are just supposed to pretend like you all don't have egg on your face.

    Like, why do I have more accurate information about this cracker when you're the ones so up in arms? Sorry, but your unseriousness is showing

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