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Anybody surprised by EU member state inactivity here? She is lucky that authorities didn't start a criminal investigation against her I'd say. Being anti-semite and such....
The EU needs to revoke citizenship for anyone holding an Israeli passport as well.
There are many actions EU could take, starting with sanctions, expulsion of Israel from sport events, trade, any other cooperation, calling ambassadors each day, join SA legal case against genocide, raise question about nukes and nukes non-proliferation etc.
Bullshit, there is a lot of reluctance towards Israel in EU, and many countries are actively taking political actions against Israel now.
You are confusing EU with UK where this actually happened.
No no, the ruling parties in Dutch politics are still very much pro-Israel.
Netherlands is not representative of all of EU. But still it's not correct to call it very pro Israel.
This is the Official policies of the Dutch government on issues of Israel/Gaza:
https://www.government.nl/themes/international-cooperation/israel-and-the-palestinian-territories/dutch-policy-on-the-situation-in-israel-and-the-palestinian-territories
This link includes humanitarian aid to Gaza, and includes aid to Free Press Unlimited, which Israel is 100% very much against.
It also shows that Netherlands is clearly against the settlers:
The policy is also to support a 2 state solution, which Israel will not allow:
Netherlands has even labeled Israel a national security threat!
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TxzNTWjS-fk
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/32197
So please stop the bullshit about European countries being one-sidedly pro Israel.
The Netherlands is the largest investor in Israel worldwide. https://www.pulse-z.eu/the-european-country-that-invests-the-most-in-israel-may-come-as-a-surprise/
The Netherlands is also continuing to buy Israeli weapons and even ramping up those purchases. The Netherlands is a very strong supporter of Israel. Besides some platitudes such as boycotting Eurovision they have not actually taken any material action against Israel excluding some very small sanctions against individual Zionist colonists.
The rest of Europe is very similar. All they offer is lip-service to Palestinians while continuing doing business as usual with Israel. Compare this to their actions Russia which got massive sanctions directly after their invasion of Ukraine and the difference is very stark.
I absolutely agree we should do more in Europe to stop Israel.
And yes we have been very one sided in how we have favored them. But this is changing, all this is absolutely questioned now in Europe, some places more than others.
And when people are claiming EU is one sidedly on the Israeli side, that is no longer true.
Europe should do more but they really are not. Their only real action after 2 and a half years of genocide is sanctioning a bunch of Israeli colonists in the West Bank. But no sanctions against Israel as a whole.
Israel cannot do what they do without European support. Here is Germany arresting a couple at gunpoint for trying to stop Europe sending weapons to Israel https://lemmy.world/post/47488982
Another key factor is the European logistics which allow American weapons transports to Israel. Once again Germany is the largest offender here but others are also complicit.
Europe is also integrating Israeli weapons as their main choice instead of European alternatives. Israeli Spike missiles and PULS launchers are chosen as the new weapons standard by many European countries recently. Germany is also working to convert car factories to Iron Dome missile production and is trying to push that as the European standard.
That's not true, there are definitely sanctions on weapons exports to Israel by several countries in EU.
I agree, and yes Germany is probably by far the most backwards country in EU in this regard. Pretty ironic since it was their concentration camps that were responsible for the creation of Israel, and now they support Israel doing the same thing against the Palestinians they did during WW2 to the Jews. Germany in particular really need to get their act together here.
We have been, but I don't think that's much of a thing anymore. But yes we have also bought Israeli weapons to help Ukraine.
But Israel is NOT part of for instance the EU SAFE program, which for instance Canada and Japan are both members of.
I 100% agree that if Israeli weapons are still planned as part of EU defense, that absolutely needs to be stopped.
Israel is a terrorist state as I've mentioned before, and I agree that any cooperation with Israel is too much.
We are not here yet, but I think we are getting there.
Once again, only in name really. Those countries are sending their weapons to NATO supply depots and "handing them over" to America, after which America gives them to Israel. Using a legal loophole. Judges in The Netherlands even said this loophole is completely fine.
Another recent example was Belgium intercepting an Israeli arms shipment which simply used wrong labelling only after NGO activists tipped off the authorities https://aircargoweek.com/arms-shipments-intercepted-in-belgium/ . Many of these shipments happened and they simply turned a blind eye until they no longer could.
Currently absolutely not. Once again, Europe has platitudes and very small sanctions which they love to point to, but nothing of significant consequences.
“Yes, we did sold weapons to kills innocent civilians and kids, but we can change. Maybe this time it’s gonna be different. Now that we destroyed everything, we will change. Please bro trust me.”
No EU did not destroy everything and kill innocent civilians Israel did.
And yes Israel is a terrorist state that should be treated accordingly.
And that is actually beginning to happen now, with some EU governments even declaring Israel a security threat to EU.
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/32197
Israel did it with American and European intelligence, weapons and international support.
if you wanna be the “akshually🤓👆” cunt guy then we can also say the bombs destroyed everything. checkmate buddy!
This is so stupid baby jesus fkn christ. You are not serious people.
Eu and the west as a whole are complicit with it. Backing colonial state is a crime itself
Bullshit all performative actions that you would never accepted if those weak actions was the only actions done against Russia. Nothing but suspending all trade deals, both way arms sanctions and joining the genocide case in thr UN are acceptable actions in this level
Are they now? What political actions are those? "We are concerned" sort of? The only actions AFAIK worth mentioning are joining the SA legal case against genocide and some countries are not exporting/buying weapons to Israel. Besides that we (EU) are happily having Israel as our greatest friend, notably Germany even actively enabling them. Even worse, just elected far right populist prime minister in Slovenia is really drooling when it comes to Netanyahu and Israel in general.
Stop being an idiot!!
These are official EU policies with regard to Israel:
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2026/05/28/extremist-israeli-settlers-eu-lists-four-entities-and-three-individuals/
EU is criminalizing the settlers and essentially labeling them as terrorists.
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-position-situation-middle-east/
EU basically telling Israel and USA that the war against Iran is illegal.
Arms embargo against Israel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_embargoes_on_Israel_since_2023
That is Italy, Spain, Netherlands and Belgium have all stopped selling weapons to Israel.
More countries are also taking similar actions.
Denmark has even stopped selling F35 parts to USA, because USA is reselling them to Israel.
I cannot write hare all the actions that have been taken against Israel by EU countries, but there are numerous actions taken, that show a clear cooling in the relation between European countries and Israel.
Oh. We are cooling the relations, that will teach them, am I right? After 2WW we had Nürmberg for stuff ~~than~~ that Israel is doing today. Now we cool relations a bit, on surface that is.
I don't think you understand what cooling of relations amongst countries mean.
There are 3 basic levels, ally, neutral, enemy.
The cooling means Israel is going from ally/neutral to neutral/enemy.
IDK why I deserve such sarcasm for describing the reality of the political relations between EU and Israel?
Also Benjamin Netanyahu is actually wanted as a war criminal by the ICC that resides in EU!
Could you please shut up with your sarcasm on things that are not as you claim they are?!
We all agree here that Israel is a terrorist state, and EU shouldn't support them. You just fail to acknowledge that EU support for Israel is actually diminishing. And claim that EU is as guilty as Israel as if we were the ones to actually pull the trigger.
The hate against EU here is bordering on insanity!!!
Because you are disrespectful and because you think EU actions result in anything meaningful.
That's on paper. Meanwhile he visited Hungary plus France and Germany said they wouldn't arrest him.
Dude, there is an active genocide going on from a terrorist state armed with nukes and you are talking about meaningless actions. It's like fireman pissing on a huge forest fire to extinguish it. When asked how it is going, they'd say "no problem, soon another couple of guys will join me".
Who is claiming that? EU is guilty of not taking any meaningful steps whereas some member states are guilty of enabling Israel.
Now compare that with what has actually been done towards Russia when they invaded Ukraine.
That shit is hypocrite talkie-talkie done purelly with the objective of relieving the pressure of a public opinion who want Israel to actually be punished, not just be the recipients of a bit of frowning. De facto that loud stern finger wagging is a way to avoid or at least delay punishing measures towards Israel, the very opposite of what it says on the box.
Such bollocks would be believable before we all saw with Russia's invasion of Ukraine what the EU and European countries can and will do against a murderous invading nation. After seeing that, this kind of performative stuff is about as believable as, after Iraq, America claiming a Middle Eastern country has WMDs to attack them.
Nah, the only nations in Europe genuinelly acting towards Israel according to the same Principles they used to support how they acted towards Russia are Spain, and the Republic Of Ireland. The rest are either active accomplices of Israel and their Genocide (literally still sending them the weapons used to murder Palestinian and Libanese children) or still dragging their feet way beyond their feet dragging just after Russia invaded Ukraine.
If you think the argumentation is exclusively humanitarian your point would be 100% right, but there are many differences that makes your comparison like comparing apples and oranges.
First the defense of Israel is that it is a democracy. in the case between Russia and Ukraine, Ukraine is the democracy and Russia is not.
Also Ukraine is in Europe, and it's defense is considered a European matter of security. Palestine has no influence on the security of Europe.
Both are equally illegal invasions.
Israel has been very good at propagandizing against the Palestinians, and accusing them of being terrorists, when in reality the terrorist was Israel.
Many sympathized with Israel after the October 7 2023 attack known as the Nova music festival massacre.
I was absolutely almost puking that our own PM 100% called Israel a victim. When obviously it was a response to many years of Israeli terrorism against the Palestinians.
But Israel had a 100 times better propaganda machine than the Palestinians.
Most normal people has a lot of difficulty seeing past the better propaganda.
So do not blame EU for not doing the right thing immediately in both cases, at least we did in one of them.
As I understand it there is a lot of sympathy to the plight of the Palestinians, and the antipathy against Israel is definitely increasing, but that's about as far as it goes.
And in all of this, I have not once seen for instance Cuba mentioned. Cuba is experiencing a blockade by USA that prevent them from getting oil and food. Clearly crimes against humanity, and without course.
Obviously EU should do something to help Cuba too based on humanitarian values.
This too was on Lemmy here today, but without anything near the shitstorm EU is receiving in this thread? Why?
We help Ukraine a lot, we help the Palestinians a little, we help Cuba none at all.
Is it really the responsibility of EU to save the entire world for the shit other countries do?
Except Israel is not a Democracy, since about 30% of the people living there don't get to vote because being born in the territory of Israel does not grant Israeli Citizenship (not to be confused with Israeli Nationality, which is different, grants more rights and only a Jewish Person can have) to a person unless they are Jewish, even when that person's parents and grandparents have lived all their lives there.
The rest is all mainly main cheery picking and understating things, or applicable at the very start of the Israeli Genocide before it was recognized as a Genocide, but not anymore.
For example, you're comparing something which multiple organizations including the UN have declared is a Genocide with a Blockade, which is like comparing mass murder with theft.
By the 3rd month of the Israeli Genocide in Gaza, just the list of babies, 1 year old or younger, killed in Gaza was 17 pages long.
It's understandable that European reaction in the beginning, influenced by decades of Israeli propaganda and their very careful shaping of what came out early on about the events of 9 October to portray Israel as a pure victim, would be one of supporting Israel's invasion of Gaza, it's certainly not understandable by the time the list of duly identified Palestinian babies killed in Gaza by Israeli attacks had reached 17 pages long and mass graves with Hospital personnel killed by Israeli military were being found, European politicians were still proclaiming "unwavering support of the Jewish State" and sending Israel more weapons.
It's even less understandable that by the time Israel is also invading Lebanon whilst at the same time starving Gazans to death, a large number of European governments still keep sending them weapons.
Now, maybe you're making the point that European politicians in power are mainly cold callous sociopaths with no principles whatsoever, which I totally agree with, however that's not the point you WERE making before and which I countered - you claimed that the EU and European countries were doing something about it and I pointed out that de facto they're refraining from doing anything about it with any real impact and instead are just finger wagging and making zero impact loud proclamations, and I used the example of their reaction to the Russia invasion of Ukraine to show that they could have already for months done something about it with real impact if they wanted to because they have already done it in the recent past, thus one can only conclude that they do not want to do it now.
All your talkie-talkie in this post is just listing reasons that somebody who doesn't care about mass murdering of babies could possibly give to justify keeping on letting the mass murders keep on mass murdering - totally logical stuff for sociopaths, but maybe we shouldn't have sociopaths in positions of power in Europe.
No I'm absolutely not.
At no point have I argued we are doing too much to help Palestine. You are misrepresenting the situation, my point was originally and remains that EU is no longer one sidedly on the side of Israel. And that remains the truth.
You just refuse to see things are changing, and continue to blame EU for the atrocities of Israel. Despite EU and European countries for decades have criticized Israel for their illegal and inhumane behavior.
Opposing nations can trade, as you can see USA and China are trading. Just because we have been trading with Israel does in no way mean we support their actions.
Some of Europe absolutely and without a doubt still stand on the side of Israel, most notably Germany and Britain as well as at least part of the EU Commission, but I'll grant you that for some or the rest it's unclear if they're on the side of Israel or holding a more neutral (we don't stand by any principles but at least we aren't giving weapons to Israel) position, whilst a tiny handful are in fact doing something to try and stop the Genocide (though very little).
Of course, how neutral is "neutral" has changed ever since the reaction of European nations to the Russian invasion of Ukraine since that has shown that Europe is perfectly capable of pushing back hard against an nation who is the aggressor in a War Of Aggression - which is the point I'm making: if the reasons given to the public then were truthful, then they would apply just as much now.
Clearly they were not, which would indicate that those maintaining neutral positions are being dishonest.
Ultimately your position seems to differ from others here by you not thinking there is a Duty Of Help - in your eyes if somebody is being beaten to death in the middle of the street and a passerby who can help does not, then that's just fine and not a form of complicity - whilst others DO think that in such a situation not stopping what's going on is a form of complicity.
That said, your argument of "Opposing nations can trade" is very much the Sociopath's Rationale of "There is no such thing as Principles when there's Money to be made".
I mean, you do you, just don't expect normal human beings not high in the Sociopath scale to look at that "Let's not let mass murdering babies get in the way of Trading" way of thinking and agree with it.
Yes unfortunately some countries have a morally outdated policy that they MUST protect the security of Israel. This is of course outdated now, because Israel is generally the aggressor. Which was also very clearly seen with Iran. Also Israel is spreading false intelligence to make it look like they are defending themselves. But this has been shown again and again, so nobody should trust Israel anymore. I suppose we agree on that.
BUT the stance of Germany is actually against the values EU is built on, and I bet if somebody were to look, it would be possible to find instances where positions like the German can be shown to be illegal according to EU regulation, where for instance all member countries are required to follow human rights principles.
There is also pressure from populations in EU to stop support for Israel. Just as we have seen in USA.
I absolutely believe there is a moral duty to help, and I have already written that I think we should do more to stop Israel and Help the Palestinians from a moral standpoint. But it is not an obligation according to international law.
Again that is a strawman, there are already restrictions by many countries on military equipment,
This story is from just 3 days ago, and is evidence of the trend I described earlier.
https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/05/26/restricting-trade-with-israeli-settlements-not-aggressive-but-normal-french-minister-says
It may not be a lot, but is movement, and as I have also shown earlier, EU has released statements that declare these settlers basically terrorists.
You can whine and cry about EU all you will, but EU is NOT the villain here, and that was what I originally responded to.
By you definition failing to be the hero makes you the villain. I cannot subscribe to such a totalitarian viewpoint, especially since Europe is clearly turning around regarding Israel.
That's just a variant of the "Law equals Moral" argument beloved by Fascists.
As for your example, it makes my point way more than it makes yours - hundreds of thousands of Gaza civilians dead at the hands of Israel, far more murdered Journalists every year than in the rest of the World put together, Europeans kidnapped from international waters and tortured and now the invasion of Lebanon, and all that France and Sweden do is the smallest least impactful restrictions on Trade with Israel imaginable.
In light of what they were willing to do against Russia, doing such minimalist and symbolic "action" stinks of the modern Western political scam of taking the smallest possible step to look like you're doing something, so as to delay pressure from the Public for much larger steps, de facto delaying effective action rather than truly trying to address the situation.
Maybe you've not ever been involved in Politics in Europe, but I have and in two different countries, and the actions that the Politicians in power are taking on this are so obviously the typical Delaying Actions meant to go against the wishes of the European Public and avoid putting pressure in Israel thus actually opposing "movement forward", that it hurts.
If you genuinely believe that's really them trying to "move forward", then you're spectacularly politically naive or have been sleeping under a rock for the last 20 years and still believe in 1970s-style ideological politics.
You see, Europe (in the sense of the European Public) are not to blame for this shit - as the information pilled up on what was going on in Gaza the European Public turned against Israel and it's actions, and that happened months ago in most of Europe, even in Germany and Britain it's already happened.
It's the politicians in power in most of Europe who are desperately trying to protect Israel by doing all they can to NOT abide by the wishes of most people in their countries when it comes to Israel by repeatedly doing lots of talkie-talkie plus a handful of symbolic near-zero-impact actions, until the Press have moved on and the Public has become distracted with something else at which point even those things are reversed, all of which is an extremely common strategy in Western Politics in the last 2 or 3 decades.
Europe is not to blame. European politicians in power are the ones to blame, and amongst other things this massive chasm between what the Public wants and what their elected representatives actually do is an indication of a huge Democratic Deficit in most of present day Europe.
You are worse then an idiot. The end of sale of weapons to israel is also a lie. The funding and approval of settlements is done by the state . The settler terrorist crimes are protected by the state so the state should be sanctionned Reports showed israel record sale of genocide tested weapons to the west.
No country in EU did absolute jackshit about it. The Netherlands is trash hole full of fucking pedos and fascists dressed in rainbow flags and good thoughts.
Europe is ENABLING the genocide. Stop hiding behind a finger.
edit: what other country has a pedophile political party?
Did you even read the fucking wikipedia page? Anyone can make a political party here. Hell there is even a party for partying. Or one for chinese restaurants. That party had 3 members and failed to even run cause they didn't have any support. But sure the country is full of em.
I’m just saying, all Europe is the same. We are bigots, racists, ignorant disgusting fucks.
What bothers me the most about the Dutch is that, for them the Netherlands is fucking paradise and everyone is a saint.
It is not, wake the fuck up.
Anyone can make any political party in our “beautiful democracies”, yes. But why the FUCK would you create a pedo party? Like this must come from something.
bro I don’t pull rabbits out of my ass. I lived there unfortunately. You treat Arabs and immigrants like dogs.
It'd be a clever ploy to get some transatlantic funding incoming.
I wouldn’t be surprised at this point fr.
What a stupid thing to say. Go fuck yourself.
It’s okay man, you should cry about it a bit. It can help.
That's what it seems like at first. But after some time theres almost always a positive change.